Is there a Primm 300 pre-run

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nimrod

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SOOO Trey was right!

Load up the short bus on Sept. 1 and drive the course from last year backwards and call it a field trip......LOL


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Lots of pre-running just not after it's marked! Open desert all year except when there is a race or a course is marked.......Pete may disagree but there has been lots of racers out there, not me but maybe soon?!

Maybe someone knew this when they put out a release clearly stating that the track was the same only running reverse.......I'm just sayin'

I forgot to qualify my statement by mentioning that I am a certified cheater

Pab, you quoted you, are you ok???
 

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No mention of a prerun on the schedule. I read through everything on the Score site and couldn't find any mention of a prerun.

I clicked on the Score Primm 300 prerun link and the page was empty.

Am I way out of the loop or what? (don't answer that.....LOL)
This off the SCORE website:

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"Due To Stricter Federal Desert Tortoise Regulations
SCORE regrets to inform the Primm 300 race participants that there will NOT be a pre-race Course Reconnaissance.
New regulations for desert racing were initiated earlier this year by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, with enforcement
being administered by the Bureau of Land Management. These regulations are extremely strict regarding potential
danger to the desert tortoise and damage to desert vegetation. The BLM has established a number of rules that would
be required during the Course Reconnaissance. SCORE would be required to disqualify entrants that fail to abide by
these rules. These rules include a 30 MPH speed limit, absolutely no passing, and the entire group of vehicles would be
required to follow eachother in a very close and tight caravan. The above rules are NOT the reason for the cancellation.
The BLM has informed SCORE that the race would be cancelled if the desert tortoise is adversely affected during the Course
Reconnaissance. SCORE is not willing to accept the risk of race cancellation based on the outcome of a pre-race activity."
 

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So what tree hugger group paid off the BLM enough for them to make these rules?
 

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So what tree hugger group paid off the BLM enough for them to make these rules?
It would appear that one of those groups has...., similarly SNORE is currently fighting a solar energy project in Primm being developed by NextLight, an alternate energy company, that would virtually halt all racing in that area.
Hello, SCORE?
 

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It would appear that one of those groups has...., similarly SNORE is currently fighting a solar energy project in Primm being developed by NextLight, an alternate energy company, that would virtually halt all racing in that area.
Hello, SCORE?

BITD also cancelled the pre-run for the TT250 this year due to these new rules. They found a pretty good end-around on racers to restrict/effectively eliminate pre-running since the sanctioning bodies wouldn't want (as SCORE said) risk losing the race over pre-race activity..... Now, those who want to "recreate" and "test" on their own are on their own.....

Very frustrating - Hopefully continued education and awareness will motivate racers to get involved in working to keep our sport viable north of the border. People are worried about crime south of the border..... what about the "organized crime" going on north of the border as we are robbed of the right to use our public lands?
 

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BITD also cancelled the pre-run for the TT250 this year due to these new rules. They found a pretty good end-around on racers to restrict/effectively eliminate pre-running since the sanctioning bodies wouldn't want (as SCORE said) risk losing the race over pre-race activity..... Now, those who want to "recreate" and "test" on their own are on their own.....

Very frustrating - Hopefully continued education and awareness will motivate racers to get involved in working to keep our sport viable north of the border. People are worried about crime south of the border..... what about the "organized crime" going on north of the border as we are robbed of the right to use our public lands?

Good points....As racers we are recreation based and not particularly well organized such as these companies/developers/Enviro Groups. We do not have access (organized means money!) to or the use of attorneys to guide us through the maze of laws and regs that exist and how navigate through them in a way that would best serve the off road community.

The American Sand Association is an example what racers should look to achieve. The are organized and are fighting "fire with fire". They are the primary reason that Glamis is not closed.

Lofty notions indeed, but if we are to survive we need to organize and fight.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread.....:eek:
 

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Lofty notions indeed, but if we are to survive we need to organize and fight.

x 1000

We need to do a better job of being organized to take care of each other (shameless fast-aid.org plug) and making sure our kids will get to keep racing when we're old, cranky and telling how fast we were.....

Didn't mean to hijack the thread.....:eek:

x2 :eek:

although, it's all related back to the original question, right? :confused: LOL :rolleyes:
 

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This off the SCORE website:

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"Due To Stricter Federal Desert Tortoise Regulations
SCORE regrets to inform the Primm 300 race participants that there will NOT be a pre-race Course Reconnaissance.
New regulations for desert racing were initiated earlier this year by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, with enforcement
being administered by the Bureau of Land Management. These regulations are extremely strict regarding potential
danger to the desert tortoise and damage to desert vegetation. The BLM has established a number of rules that would
be required during the Course Reconnaissance. SCORE would be required to disqualify entrants that fail to abide by
these rules. These rules include a 30 MPH speed limit, absolutely no passing, and the entire group of vehicles would be
required to follow eachother in a very close and tight caravan. The above rules are NOT the reason for the cancellation.
The BLM has informed SCORE that the race would be cancelled if the desert tortoise is adversely affected during the Course
Reconnaissance. SCORE is not willing to accept the risk of race cancellation based on the outcome of a pre-race activity."

And what criteria would be used to determine if the tortoise was "adversely affected" during the recon? Is the BLM going to go out and interview all the tortoises before and after the recon?
 

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And what criteria would be used to determine if the tortoise was "adversely affected" during the recon? Is the BLM going to go out and interview all the tortoises before and after the recon?

The Blm will be talking to all the tortoises when they pick them up and move them when the solar company starts grading 7900 acres for thier solar panels. So stupid!
 
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