AAAAAAND STILL, THE UNDISPUTED INTERNET CHAMPION OF THE WORLD, KENTKROEKER
Amazon is on board with Youtheory. There's still short course racing in the Midwest and it's growing. Compared to the southwest how many people in Georgia or the south east know anything about desert racing? Market penetration is a big part of that. They know mud bogging since they have swamps, but we still see posters come on here from the Midwest and further East looking to race.Well said however, I never said screw the fans or suggested driving them away. What I said was the fans and masses directly contribute very little to the sport financially and direct sponsorship dollars are not a determining factor to most racers participating in desert racing.
As for most; I think it's the challenge is the attraction and would be the determining factor in wanting to do it and before the internet and the current national marketing campaigns, people found out about it and the sport is still around. And sadly only a very, very few of those fans or masses get even minutely involved in helping save or support the sport against he issues we face, and the racers themselves are mostly apathetic to getting involved.
Contingency exists to support the racers and the racers support those companies. Major organizations involved in the sport derive some benefit but does Polaris really sell any more UTV's in the U.S. by being the event sponsor of the Mint or Baja 1000? Does Bud Light sell more beer? Jimco, Fortin, Weddle or McKenzies more parts in Atlanta, Chicago or Seattle?
The fact is the sport is regional in it's direct appeal and the industry is primarily self supporting and very specialty. If it was a big deal WM, Amazon, and others would be on board; trust me on that one...
Back on topic: With, without sponsors, contingency etc...: It's a sad fact that all it takes to participate at the top levels of the sport is the ability to get the hardware. We are one of the only professional motorsports disciplines that allows this and the only one racing on mostly open courses.
"Truer words were never spoken" ........."situational awareness" would come into play as the person driving the new unlimited vehicle would know through his/her 2500 miles of limited experience that the brakes don't work as well when cold and would KNOW that being extra careful near the start is important.......some arbitrary "test" would not give them that real life EXPERIENCE that is needed when competing in the highest level of our sport.......the TT drivers SHOULD be the cream of the crop, NOT just the super rich......being super rich is fine but experience should be required.........this latest incident puts ANOTHER huge blackeye on our sport.......joe blow public sees this report and vids and says "look at these idiots, they cant even negotiate a 10mph corner, then they just gas it and mow over and kill the fans".....its NOT good........sorry I cant sugarcoat that better.....
would you think it was so funny if you were standing next to me as I watched the bystanders attempt to save the lifeless boy???? is it funny that the moto guys died too???...yes , YOU"RE an idiot......This is a very important matter, so I spent 12.8 minutes making a test that will put this subject to rest once and for all.
BAJA RACING QUALIFICATION TEST
Baja racing is the most dangerous form of motorsport on earth. Consequently, this challenging endeavor attracts the most sophisticated athletes in the world. If you are attempting this written test it means that you have already passed the rigorous oral exams administered upstairs at the vetting offices in Ensenada. You have made it to the next level in your quest to become one of the chosen elite.
You have 17 hours to complete this multi-disciplinary test, but we will accept it, “whenever.” You may collaborate with your colleagues and all sources are open. You may use a calculator and/or slide rule. Someone else may perform the exam en lieu of the examinee. And you must get zero questions correct in order to pass and become a fully-qualified Baja racer.
Baja Racing was started in order to:
A. Increase taco sales
B. Decrease tax liabilities
C. Test cactus-resistant tires
Baja racing takes place in Mexico because:
A. Libya is busy
B. Somalia is too peaceful
C. The Isle of Man has no dirt roads
The flat-billed hat was first worn by___________ in a futile attempt to make his face look smaller:
A. Abraham Lincoln
B. George Washington Carver
C. Justin Davis
Montezuma’s Revenge was:
A. An ineffective strategy against Cortez
B. The guy on the velvet painting carrying an unconscious Aztec woman
C. Inevitable the night before the race
The word, “Baja” means:
A. “Land of silt and hookers”
B. “I’m out of money”
C. “My wife will never know”
The most important Spanish phrase to memorize is:
A. “One more beer please”
B. “where is the toilet”
C. “if you are female, why do you have an Adam’s apple?”
"Menzies" is a form of:
A. Swine flu
B. Spinal infection
C. Generic cough syrup
D. None of the above
Baja locals most enjoy:
A. Throwing live snakes in your window
B. Having a party right next to your camp at 3 am.
C. Stealing your all stuff
D. Selling Chinese souvenirs
The most important political institution in Baja is:
A. The Navy Band
C. Angels Verdes
Baja racing is finally dignified, professional and lucrative now that there are huge sponsors and big media coverage. All the teams get career-level pay and the prize money is fantastic:
C. Because NASCAR is way more exciting to watch
The only difference between a Trophy Truck and a Class 11 car is:
A. The bank account of the driver’s daddy
B. All of the above
There are other races besides the Baja 1000 that matter:
If you devote your life to Baja racing, your Wikipedia page will:
A. Show a photo of your statue at Imola
B. List your achievements and contributions to humanity
C. You won’t have a Wikipedia page
The Baja 1000 matters:
Desert racing internet sites are excellent for:
A. Demonstrating that you have no idea what the difference between you’re and your is.
B. Keeping a thread that was started by a reality T.V. mechanic alive in order to prove that you have no life
C. Posting photos of the elk you shot
D. Typing in caps separated by ellipsis to sound authoritative in the absence of intelligible thought
In Baja Jeeps are good for:
D. Showing everyone that it’s your first time in Baja
In Baja UTV’s are notorious for:
A. Humiliating car teams that think they placed well
B. Being comprised more of accessories than original vehicle
C. Driving from the 9th to 11th hole
The only real athletes in Baja compete on:
The only prerequisite for racing in the Trophy Truck class is:
A. Enough florescent colors still available
B. Enough positive real numbers still available
C. Enough mirrors to fog still available
Baja racing was awesome and nobody complained back when:
A. The Queen of England raced 1/2 1600
B. Christ was a Corporal
C. Sal Fish ran things
D. Never. Everybody always complained about everything all the time
When your daughter drives into a ditch at the Baja 1000, the only thing you ask is:
A. “Why the long face?”
Sorry, there are no other choices...
When driving off a cliff and into the Pacific you should:
A. Make sure your pumper is on.
B. Think fondly of the night before at Paris de Noche
C. Be happy there won't be a urinalysis
D. Keep your face frozen in a Grinch-like expression for eternity
When chasing it’s best to:
A. Blame the prerunner who hit you even though you were going the wrong direction
B. Stay awake for 40 hours, then turn around and drive home from La Paz
C. Bring all kinds of parts and tools nobody will ever need
Fans of, "My Little Pony" are:
A. Called, “Bronies”
B. Believe that, “Friendship is Magic”
C. Complain about being nerfed on the internet
D. All of the above
Energy drinks are:
A. Hazardous neurotoxins
B. Destroying the endocrine systems of global youth
C. The only companies that support Baja racing
E. A and B, but mostly C
A. A vegetable
B. A vitamin
C. The most important nutrient in the food pyramid
D. All of the above
The best exercise for Baja racing is:
A. Typing on the internet about racing
B. Drinking beer and talking about racing
C. Writing checks to pay for racing
You and your crew members can best be described as:
B. Men with boobs
D. All of the above
Painting a race car pink will:
A. Justify your husband spending more money on racing
B. Not make you look better in yoga pants
C. Visually signal that you will lose every race
Saving the children while securing the future of off road racing was never accomplished by:
A. Mother Theresa
B. Oskar Schindler
In developing nations possessing weak institutions, little public accountability and few enforceable laws we should:
A. Create scatter plots and run regression analysis to identify the economy’s critical vulnerability, then find the most unethical members of the host nation’s government and provide development loans they can’t pay back so we can appropriate their resources later…
B. Send the military under the auspices of peacekeeping, establish a sham democracy using our own stooges in their government, the effects of which will radicalize and turn violent their illiterate population thereby requiring more military spending to, “keep the peace.”
C. Go hobby racing there
Why the long face, Pete?would you think it was so funny if you were standing next to me as I watched the bystanders attempt to save the lifeless boy???? is it funny that the moto guys died too???...yes , YOU"RE an idiot......
so the mother SCREAMING, not from her injuries but in anguish, trying to get to her son is a joke too?? wanna take a jab at that, YOU IGNORANT %#CK!!!! ...maybe its a Canadian thing, or you are childless......., you disgust me.....go away......forever, we don't need you......Why the long face, Pete?
Kent's hardly making fun of tragedy; instead, he immediately cut to the root of the entire discussion in a single, clever post that highlighted the peculiarities of desert racing and why arguing for "regulations" won't accomplish anything. Read the part at the end. It's a good summary - if you have a brain. Baja racing happens in Mexico specifically because rules are not required there.
That's why the smart people say he, "wins the internet" and "internet champion" and all that all the time and the one stupid person responds like you do. You still have no clue what the meaning of his post is do you? Except for your personal butthurt, the rest is probably a big mystery to you.
Now you're trying to use some real tragedies to deflect a lightweight jab or two directed at you? That is really sad.
Pretty cheap way to try to defend yourself - using terms like, "lifeless boy" to hide behind. Disgusting actually.
you must really hate it when people laugh at you.
If you think Mexico is a primitive culture, where people come out of their huts to watch the races, think again.
(1) Mexico has the 15th largest economy in the world.
(2) Mexico ranks 5th in the world as an auto part exporter ($25 billion worth in 2015.)
(3) Mexico is the 10th largest country in the world by population. (Russia is 9th. Japan is 10th)
Yes, there are poor people and shacks in Mexico. There are poor people and tent communities all over Southern California too.
My point is that we should look at the Mexican spectators the same as we would look at a US spectator. To think that the Mexican people can't be reached or taught, is wrong thinking.
Apples and oranges in the discussion re licensing Class 1 and TT pilots, since one can "qualify" and be licensed by demonstrating "proficiency" in a Leaf and then can operate a 40 foot turbo diesel motorhome towing a trailer on the public highways nationwide.Can you imagine if there were no "training" courses before everyone hopped in a car to get across town?
Racer, point received. As I penned those stats I did think about the GDP and who really benefits from the economic activity. No doubt the multinational corps doing business make handsome profits from inexpensive labor."Mexico" has some horsepower, but please remember that Baja California is not a big part of its economy and is almost literally cut off from the main country of Mexico in more ways than one, but is grouped into its statistics as a whole.
Baja, and Baja Sur combined only contirubte 3% of all of Mexico's GDP. Practically nothing in the grand scheme of Mexico, and somewhere around 95-110th on the list of the world's economy by country. In U.S. numbers, Baja and Baja Sur combined wouldn't break into one of the top 50 states.
Baja spectators can learn and financial status has nothing to do with that, but don't you think it is easier to take the bullet out of the gun instead of shooting at a vest?
Accidents happen every day, in every town across the US. Licensed drivers wrecking cars for who knows what reason. Can you imagine if there were no "training" courses before everyone hopped in a car to get across town? I'm pretty sure we would be in a worse situation.
Just a thought.
We travel as a family to our house on the east cape quite a bit, and spend a bunch of time each year south of the US border. Mexico is part of our lives in many ways, and we try to personally give back each time. We have MANY national friends down there that build multi-million dollar homes for gringo's, and employ sub-contractors that would blow away a lot of US contractors in terms of speed and quality. Young kids with engineering degrees and the lot, butttttt they had to go to mainland to get them 9/10 times. The Tijuana and Ensenada areas get the benefit of being close to the US border, and the steady tourism money because of itRacer, point received. As I penned those stats I did think about the GDP and who really benefits from the economic activity. No doubt the multinational corps doing business make handsome profits from inexpensive labor.
But with this said, I worked for a multinational corp and would spend time in their Tijuana plant. I loved learning just how smart the Mexican nationals were. Prior to this my visits were limited to a couple of quick trips to Tijuana, Ensenada and San Quintin. I only saw the poor. But while working down there I made friends with a number of talented college educated Mexicans. One very sharp young engineer was born and raised in Ensenada. The salaries these men and women earn is lower than a US salary, but it was not as low as you might think. I'm talked about the skilled folks. Minimum skilled labor is still probably very cheap in Mexico. But the Mexicans are earning degrees and are as valuable as my arrogant American dumb ass. They are not all starving on the streets. Mexico has problems no doubt, but there is a lot of good stuff happening too.
All of this is a little off point, I know, but it's tangentially related.
Baja racing is a beautiful thing. My engineer friend from Ensenada would say, "We are a racing town."
Spectator safety needs to be improved, and I think the racing community can at least engage a conversation about it.
I think we can come up with some reasonable ideas too. The actual implementation and cost will be the heavy lifting, no doubt about it, but save that for a later discussion. For now we compile a list of five or ten things that can be done.
... and keep the flaming to a dull roar...
Apples and oranges in the discussion re licensing Class 1 and TT pilots, since one can "qualify" and be licensed by demonstrating "proficiency" in a Leaf and then can operate a 40 foot turbo diesel motorhome towing a trailer on the public highways nationwide.
Has any neophyte driver with no behind-the-wheel experience every tried to enter any off road racing class?
I can't recall that issue ever presenting.
Conversely, I don't think any license, be it from SCCA, FIA, NHRA, NASCAR, any state/nation or even SST, actually could qualify any racer "safe" in a Baja 500 or 1000.
Hey, "Pistol Pete,"so the mother SCREAMING, not from her injuries but in anguish, trying to get to her son is a joke too?? wanna take a jab at that, YOU IGNORANT %#CK!!!! ...maybe its a Canadian thing, or you are childless......., you disgust me.....go away......forever, we don't need you......