MORE RACERS score more @ MORE than SCORE?

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According to Jim Clements: "There were 119 entries with 104 starting. 71 finish" at the recent MORE Chili Cook Off 250, isn't that at least eleven more entries than SCORE's Primm?

Is it just because if we are going to run around in hokey circles in the Mojave we tend to choose the most economical hokey circles?
 

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I've never run a Score race to date (but plan to next year) so I really have nothing to compare it to but Jim puts on a GREAT show for the price and a lot of competition.

He also tends to mix it up and doesnt run "the same old course" every time.

Plus you dont have to deal with time penalties. jajaja
 

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I know I can run a full season with MORE for the same cost of one SCORE race . and with the bigger turn out means bigger pay back on a smaller investment. Just $360 and your good to go , no BS $250 inspection , no always controversal $600 ralley tracker , no drama just racing
 

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I have to say that since we have bene with MORE we have a good time, Jim puts together a good event that is affordable fo rthe little guys to come race and have a good time. Great competition for our class. At some point we do want to run some of the other races out there but for now MORE has given us a place to live the dream....Thanks MORE.
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In all forms of Motor Sports (all sports for that matter) the feeder and second tier organizations always have higher numbers of participants and lower costs - What's you point?

MORE, SNORE, DRIVE, CODE all do a great job providing a venue for racers with your needs.
 

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COST! plain and simple, it's cost.


SCORE
a $250 cageinspection, a $250 tracker, a $1200ish entry fee to race Primm, plus a $75 membership per driver/rider.


M.O.R.E.
a $360 entry, and a $10 membership.

granted the two bodies appeal to different crowds, but for buget minded racers MORE is the cost effective alternative.
 

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Racing MORE against the folks that consider Lucerne and Barstool as "their backyard" is definitely a challenge!
 

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Just wait until Jim gets a Casino in Barstow, MORE entry will double :)
 

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Just wait until Jim gets a Casino in Barstow, MORE entry will double :)
That Casino, if ever built, will be the beginning of the end of racing in Barstow. Trust me you do not want that Casino there if we want to continue racing in Barstow.
 

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According to Jim Clements: "There were 119 entries with 104 starting. 71 finish" at the recent MORE Chili Cook Off 250, isn't that at least eleven more entries than SCORE's Primm?

Is it just because if we are going to run around in hokey circles in the Mojave we tend to choose the most economical hokey circles?
Good point. I agree
 

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The last I heard the casino was dead. I agree Kevin, the people will come and they will complain and shut down the dusty noisy races.
Pat, Just because I grew up there in my "backyard" and used beat the baja bug all over the desert you call that an advantage! Maybe the weekend runs back and forth to Slash X through the desert on a full moon with no lights or racing through the outlet mall and jumping down the stairs got me used to it!
 

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That Casino, if ever built, will be the beginning of the end of racing in Barstow. Trust me you do not want that Casino there if we want to continue racing in Barstow.
you are so right kevin .the outlet mall has just about killed it allready
 
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Was this the first time a "feeder" series outdrew a SCORE event held on the same day?
 

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Was this the first time a "feeder" series outdrew a SCORE event held on the same day?
Hey there sparky, promote all you want but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Jim is a great guy and I too love his races but really now how can you compare these two events.

SCORE Primm is part of the series that has the Baja 500 and Baja 1000 so it is a big deal with solid talent. If you are saying the MORE race is better because it has a lower entry fee I guess that is one way to look at it.

Yes it is MORE expensive at SCORE but the NUMBER ONE REASON this is a fact is because SCORE is the ONLY race organization with INSURANCE to cover its racers.....

Ohhh and Drake, SCORE is the ONLY organization that has a helicopter with a doctor in the sky over the race

.....did anyone mention that SCORE is is the ONLY race organisation where you can see 25 Trophy/Unlimited/Trick trucks race by right in front of you and did I mention its the only place you can see Robby Gordon, Rob Mac, Pistol, Collins and some other kooks battle for lap times.

The reason you HAVE to buy new helmets and you HAVE to get your car inspected is because people DIE in race cars and I would guess that a major part of the cars running OTHER races may not pass the safety tech. You think I like handing them $250 for all of our cars?

We have run into each other here before, I'm not a hater, but you post some serious non-sense with a pretty high regard for yourself at times
 

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When was the last time a racer was killed/injured due to a faulty helmet?

The insurance and helicopter thing is awesome though, no doubt; safety first. I won't start with the chassis inspection, I don't care to open that can of worms!
 

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Hey there sparky, promote all you want but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Jim is a great guy and I too love his races but really now how can you compare these two events.

SCORE Primm is part of the series that has the Baja 500 and Baja 1000 so it is a big deal with solid talent. If you are saying the MORE race is better because it has a lower entry fee I guess that is one way to look at it.

Yes it is MORE expensive at SCORE but the NUMBER ONE REASON this is a fact is because SCORE is the ONLY race organization with INSURANCE to cover its racers.....

Ohhh and Drake, SCORE is the ONLY organization that has a helicopter with a doctor in the sky over the race

.....did anyone mention that SCORE is is the ONLY race organisation where you can see 25 Trophy/Unlimited/Trick trucks race by right in front of you and did I mention its the only place you can see Robby Gordon, Rob Mac, Pistol, Collins and some other kooks battle for lap times.

The reason you HAVE to buy new helmets and you HAVE to get your car inspected is because people DIE in race cars and I would guess that a major part of the cars running OTHER races may not pass the safety tech. You think I like handing them $250 for all of our cars?

We have run into each other here before, I'm not a hater, but you post some serious non-sense with a pretty high regard for yourself at times
Remove Pistol from your list, and you have very valid points...
 

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1) Jim is a great guy and I too love his races but really now how can you compare these two events.

2) SCORE Primm is part of the series that has the Baja 500 and Baja 1000 so it is a big deal with solid talent.

3) .....did anyone mention that SCORE is is the ONLY race organisation where you can see 25 Trophy/Unlimited/Trick trucks race by right in front of you and did I mention its the only place you can see Robby Gordon, Rob Mac, Pistol, Collins and some other kooks battle for lap times.

4) The reason you HAVE to buy new helmets and you HAVE to get your car inspected is because people DIE in race cars and I would guess that a major part of the cars running OTHER races may not pass the safety tech. You think I like handing them $250 for all of our cars?
1) Jim IS a great guy and has treated the racers right, thus the success MORE has enjoyed. Sal has done as much if not more than anyone has, for this sport and has done it quietly and without a lot of the fan-fair so many seek: Without Sal this sport would still be a grass roots minor league deal; IMO. There are other great orgs like BITD and SNORE which serve different customers wants and needs and none are better/worse than the others but SCORE/BITD/MORE?SNORE are definetly the priemiere sanctioning bodies in "Desert Racing" and to the customers they service they are the best at what they do as proven by the car counts...

2) The 500 & 1000 are icons that are at a different level than any other event in the sport. Though they are part of a series that includes Primm and Laughlin, tocompare it to a series that includes Barstow, Lucerne etc.. is kind of one sided as these events have a presteige and life of their own and don't compare at all to Primm. Baja may not be the harshest terrain on the calendar for that year or offer a specific class the most competition however as far as events go; but they definetly set the standard for the sport. Primm is kinda like Barstow with Casino's and ironically the characters wear the same attire ;)...

3) Primm had 23, Parker 21, other than Rubby those other names have graced the entry list/results and podiums of both MORE & Snore events this season.

4) Agreed, but I don't think the current programs or parameters which have been alluded to will make any real impact on the safety of the sport.

It's cool to see so many people with opinions RE this subject but just like a McDonalds vs Wendy's debate; everyone wants to have it their way, that's why we have Coke and Fanta. It'd be nice if people got this worked up over land use issues etc... or we might just be relegated to racing Barstow instead of having Primm as a choice... unless the Marines have their way.
 

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3) Primm had 23, Parker 21, other than Rubby those other names have graced the entry list/results and podiums of both MORE & Snore events this season.
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When has 1 of the a fore mentioned graced the podium at MORE?

You suddenly are lumping SNORE and BITD into this...the thread starter said MORE and SCORE so that is what I am talking about. Yes some of these drivers may go to SNORE and some to BITD but the largest collection of top teams is consistently at SCORE and SCORE Primm had the largest Trophy/Trick/Unlimited entry of the year in the US.

MORE is cool, SNORE is AWESOME but I was just making a point to what was stated
 

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3) Primm had 23, Parker 21, other than Rubby those other names have graced the entry list/results and podiums of both MORE & Snore events this season.
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When has 1 of the a fore mentioned graced the podium at MORE?

You suddenly are lumping SNORE and BITD into this...the thread starter said MORE and SCORE so that is what I am talking about. Yes some of these drivers may go to SNORE and some to BITD but the largest collection of top teams is consistently at SCORE and SCORE Primm had the largest Trophy/Trick/Unlimited entry of the year in the US.

MORE is cool, SNORE is AWESOME but I was just making a point to what was stated
Rob Mac in 1600 at the MORE night race and you'll note I also said: "graced the ENTRY LIST/RESULTS and podiums of BOTH MORE and SNORE events this season" which if I'm not mistaken the names other than Robby have in either SNORE or MORE as stated...

Please don't be mad at me :). I was simply responding to your comments on the original posters "Feeder Series" comment which you referenced in your post. I agree with you that there is a difference in a MORE vs SCORE event (especially if you compare Mexico!) however, I also believe that other than in TT and Class 1 where the depth and some of the quality of the field might be better; the differences between Primm and Barstow with similar car counts, and SCORE vs MORE are not as visable to most competitors... I did lump SNORE/MORE together however, It was the comment "Feeder Series" which you responded too that I was referencing.

If I'm wrong, please admonish me and I will crawl back under my rock...
 
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