Prerunner Problem now Mini-truck Kids...

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I've been holding my tongue on this thread because most of you are way out of line and will just want to fight. I would answer each person, but it's a waste of my time. I thought the article in SDOR was good and I've seen what "friends" of ours can do, so no sympathy there. I'd get rid of those friends or try to make them understand how wrong they are. I saw some good posts and I hope you guys can influence the other CLUELESS ones.

All of you should be members of SDOR and get their magazine. You should all have Dusty Times subscriptions and Off-Road Advertiser and any other industry related rags. You should be members of CORVA and some of the other organizations. Sorry, contrary to your beliefs everything is not learned on the internet.

I have a prerunner as does DezChik, and I don't take offense to the reference of "prerunner" or "mini truck kid" because I know what these people are trying to say. Once you have worked hard to build a place (business, building, etc.) in the middle of no where and PUNKS come and destroy your property, MAYBE then you will understand.

OK, blast away.
 

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Well said!!!

I'm a member of Los Pretots (local Ocotillo Wells club), Corva, ASA, and the AMA. I think I owe Blue Ribbon $$$ now...
 

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What phrases or subjects on this post do you consider out of line?...I would like to know and I'm sure others here would too. Clarify your opinion please because we all might learn something. I dont want to fight I just want to know. See you this weekend at the start line.

-Ryan
 

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I read the WHOLE article last night as my issue was intercepted by my pops for a day...it was dead nuts right on. Read the WHOLE article guys (gals) before you take a side. The excerpt was very biased. The people that disagree with it or are offended are obvioulsy the people feeling that this article was about them and are pissed because they got called out. This article was not written to offend...it was written to get the well deserved attention the problem needs.

Prerunners are way too trendy these days and every kid wants one because the lowered hondas couldnt get them out to the desert where they can be lawless. Kids who didnt grow up going to the desert with their families or friends dont know anything about the desert other then it is a bitchen place to get [daddy didnt love me]'ed up, party, drive their prerunners, and find drunk chicks who get naked. They dont know about the commrodory amongst desert goers because the true desert people want nothing to do with those a-holes...just as the business owners want nothing do with them either.

I drive a prerunner and have been around every desert in california since I was brought into this world, and could be labeled a prerunner kid but am in no way offended by the article...it's the damn truth. Wise up people who disagree...otherwise in the end everbody loses from a few a bad apples.

PS...the syntax errors in the excerpt above were not in the article either...
 

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Kids who didnt grow up going to the desert with pheir families or friends dont know anything about the desert other then it is a bitchen place to get [daddy didnt love me]'ed up, party, drive their prerunners, and find drunk chicks who get naked. They dont know about the commrodory amongst desert goers because the true desert people want nothing to do with those a-holes...just as the business owners want nothing do with them either.

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Kris, what you wrote is just as dumb as the guy who wrote the article for the magazine. I didn't grow up with a family. I grew up with my mom who worked 24/7. She couldn't afford quads, 50's and weekend warriors so the whole family to go out every weekend. So that makes me an "a-hole that dont know anything about the desert other then it is a bitchen place to get [daddy didnt love me]'ed up, party, drive their prerunners, and find drunk chicks who get naked."
You're right... I know nothing of commrodory amongst desert goers, and I am so far from a true desert person because I got into this on my own, and didn't have mommy and daddy to show me the ropes.

Those of you who know me, (including you Kris) know damned well that I am not any of those things... Just because I didn't grow up in it, doesn't mean I don't have something called respect. Regardless of your family activities, what type of car/truck you drive, what clothes you wear, what color your skin is, or what language you speak, some people just have absolutly no respect, and others do.

It's clear that those who support this article are just as narrow minded as the a-hole who wrote it and want to stereotype people and put the blame somewhere. I don't want to argue about this anymore... you wanna stereotype "mini truck kids" and support people that do, it's your choice. I'm not for it.

-Proud Mini-truck Kid who doesn't just got to the dezert to get "[daddy didnt love me]'ed up, party, drive their prerunners, and find drunk chicks who get naked."
 

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Hey Ryan, I'm printing the thread so when I have a moment I can find the parts I was referring to. Thanks for asking and I WILL get back to you.

RoadMap, I had NEVER been to the desert before I got married and I've been going ever since. I'm not sure if Kritter meant it as he wrote it, but that doesn't make you or I an a-hole. And RESPECT IS the issue.

I'll see all of you in Lucerne Saturday. BE CAREFUL!!
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I said...
"Kids who didnt grow up going to the desert with their families or friends dont know anything about the desert, other then..."



I dont know your age Cheryl but I wouldnt refer to you as a kid...you are an adult...my comment was towards the present "kids" who the article was written about. So yes...the kids who didnt grow up going to the desert with their families where they would learn to respect the place don't know about courtesy in the desert... with some exceptions to the rule Rhiannon.

From the PM's I got, I seem to have some believers in me who would rather not post on this topic.
 

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1st off, sorry to those reading all this that think it's just dragging on and on... It's a discussion right?


I'm behind Fred too, although his article is harsh and extreme it's a reality in my eyes. For some odd reason I doubt the trouble makers are the families that are going out there in their motorhomes/rigs with quads, buggies, mini bikes, jeeps, etc... I may be wrong though.

I understand why sterotyping is wrong in society but damn, what can you do? (maybe I am ignorant) I guess you could setup a road block and somehow pick out the bad apples? Does that work?

Basically I see it as you have to generalize the group that is causing the problem and go through it and weed out the problem. IN MY EYES there is a general group that fits the description of the "normal" trouble maker out there but I also recognize that there's always exceptions... IN MY EYES it's the iron cross sporting, flat bill wearing, dirt bike fender cutting Brian Deegan wannabe but can't ride worth crap, hauling their bikes out in a Ranger/yota with "plastic fenders" and a bolt on kit, truck jumping and driving over their head and with no respect towards other enthusiasts out there that are causing the problems. Is that a stereotype? Bummer if if is but that's what I see.

I agree with Kris that if you turn your hat around, curl the bill, and paint your fenders you won't stand out and look like them, therefore you probably won't have much of a problem. But I'm sure we could be wrong, it won't be my 1st. It may be a 1st for Kris though!
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I would feel the rangers weren't doing their job if they didn't harrass the kids out there fitting that description along with the old man sitting on the hill that just downed a 12er and is stumbling into his rail or someone wheeling across a bridge. Once again, if you're not in the wrong, you don't have to worry. It's like airport security looking at foreigners more strictly, I've got NO PROBLEM with this. If it slows the whole process up but increases safety, I can deal with the inconvienence just like I can deal with the inconveinence of a ranger checking me out. If I'm in the wrong and pay the price, so be it, I deserved it... (like I deserved to be pulled over that morning, but not dealt with in the holly'er then thou power trip attitude from the initial hello that I recieved. If he doesn't respect me from the get go is it my duty to respect him after taking it for close to 25 minutes?) When dealing with the stereotype the Rangers HAVE to show respect until the time that they see a cause not to and have reason to flex their authority.

Judge me how you will, call me dumb or an a-hole for my opinions, bummer... They (rangers)/we have got to do something to change the direction that the scene out there is going.



The other thing that bugs me everytime I read this thread thru is this thread is a quote from Rhi's 2nd post...

"Ya, it's his opinion, but it's stupid, and doesn't need to be shared with the offroad racing community and people that can take away our freedom in the desert"

1st off, SDOR is not a "offroad racing" mag, it's a "offroad" mag. From Trials, MX, Rockcrawling, prerunning, desert racing, closed coarse racing, to trail riding.

2nd, if the issue isn't addressed by us first, it will be addressed by those in power to take away our desert freedom backed by those who live in the community and are sick of the way things are going out there.

Okay, time to tear me up!!!
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Khris you suck, your exploder sucks and you could only hold the wheelie for a minute..man thats way short..hahahahhahahahhaha!!!!!

Tore up enough?

Stay out of trouble in Mex this weekend.

-Ryan
 

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How much trouble can you get in on private beach with unlimited margaritas and corona paying in a OTL tournament!!!

LOL, a minute... Don't disgrace me like that. You know what's in my mind the whole time!!! I saw a video of Ty Davis doing a wheelie sooooo long that because the front was up it starved the motor for oil and it locked up, pitching him over the bars at 90+mph in a wheelie!!!! That scares the crap outta me considering the piston side of my motor holds less then 3/4 of a quart of oil. (motor and transmission oil are seperate in my bike!!!)
 

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I'll bet you a lot of them have at least in SD county cause they sit on the counter right next to the off-road advertiser in pretty much every shop or retail shop around. It's VERY common to see someone pick it up and thumb through it while waiting for the guy to grab a part from out back or looking through catalogues, etc... In San Diego I see SDOR everywhere but not Dusty times. Maybe the scene down here is different though. Obviously there's racers and race shops down here but I personally think SD is mostly off road recreation, Glamis, Ocotillo, Mexico... Buggies, bikes, LOL "mini truck kids". When you walk in the shops you see people buying chorme this or that, air lockers, and 2.5" reservoir shocks with whatever valving happens to be in the one hanging on the wall, not 9" currie housings, mendeola and Fortin transmissions, and oversized beefy power racks. You talk to people about what they bring to the desert and it's a spare belt some tools and fix a flat, not spare axles and trannies.

Email Sherri and ask what kind of response she's gotten from the two articles? Then again do the Flat bill kids write? I guess the standard thing would be to assume they can't read, write, and don't know of internet other then porn and games.
 

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just a quick question: what qualifies someone as a "flatbiller" ? does wearing your hat w/ a flat bill put you there? or is there more to it. also are roundbillers "cooler" than "flatbillers???
 

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Another quick question- Why is the original article writer making gross overstatements, but many who are complaining about his oversimplified definition are the same ones who think all rangers are gun toting idiots from hooterville who have an attitude?
 

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Khris and Kris ... i ' ll have to side with you guys for this one . WE THE RESPONSIBLE ONES HAVE TO STEP UP AND ROOT OUT THE BAD SEEDS !!! or else NONE of us will get to enjoy what we love !

it doesnt matter how your bill is folded either but the maturity level you show the people around you ! personally i think the flatbill trend is pretty lame , i wear my hat normal the way i bought it. so FLATBILLERS have a stereotype ? BIG DEAL you dont like it FIX THE PROBLEM !! the stereotype exists for a reason ! example .... sure my truck isnt [censored] , but when i can afford it , its gonna be LEGIT. you should see the looks i get from every RANGER driving FLATBILLER here is EAST COUNTY !! they can talk all the crap they want IM WAY ABOVE THEIR LEVEL . again this critizism(sp) only comes from the flatbillers , so i have NO PROBLEM pointing fingers at the MAJORITY of them. like kritter said , there are exceptions
 

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I guess I am pretty much representing the "Flatbiller" age group here and I must say that the majority of people that I know outside of the off-road world that do go to desert, do go to get messed up and party because of the lack of rules in the desert, very sad but true. Most of them get their vision of party like atmosphere from mx films that portray this image of unlimited freedom. I guess I could be considered a Flatbiller since I drive a truck with Fabtech(please don't give me any hassle for this-lol) stuff on it and fit into that age group. I hope that I can break the sterotype in that I know what the desert is meant to be like, I have been riding out there for as long as I can remember. I always try to educate those with little background in the desert about the true fun however their disillusioned version is easier to obtain and offers instant gratification so they often write off the true version. Most of the guys around my area with their "pre-runners" don't know jack about the desert yet they persist on convincing you that they know everything. The biggest thing that gets me is their stubborness to accept that they might be wrong about just one thing, even when you can justify your point to them about something and prove you have more experience. I guess what I might be trying to prove through all of this is that you can't quite "judge a book by its cover" so to speak. By automatically grouping all of the younger underage guys who drive "pre-runners" into one group you elimante the chance of one of them being a true desert fan who could help the sport grow in a positive way. That one fan could be myself. However if their actions turn out to be destructive toward the sport/ desert in general then you have every right to demand them to change their ways or go home. I have one question for the older crowd here, how can I make sure to seperate myself from the sterotype crowd even though I fit the mold? I know how to respect the desert and what it takes to truely enjoy the sport but how do I break down that inital "pre-judice" towards the younger crowd?
 

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Danny be your own man.Demand respect from others and you will recieve that respect back.If people don't like you because you wear your hat cocked then F'em.If your respectful,courteous to others, and helpful your life will be more fullfilling. Do whats right for Danny.pm
 
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