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Bro_Gill

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No it's not, your acceptance of brain washing is amazing. Let me explain. I have family along stretches of some of these water ways. Many 'scientific' reports are simply false. Like claiming that Salmon are extinct on a creek. That's what the report says, but if that is a fact, why can you walk across said creek in the fall and SEE SALMON SWIMMING UP SAID CREEK? And this is not a single instance. When you tell people about it, they simply say 'That can't be, the biologists who came and did a study say they are extinct. Are you the kind of guy that believes your eyes or what a biologist with a potential bias tells you to believe? Don't kid yourself, since the 1980s, most of the studies done by gov't agencies are not done to find facts, they are done to confirm a statement already made that creates a new rule/condition to use/eliminate an activity. Wish that wasn't the case, But the world of public recreation on public lands drastically change about 20 years before you were born. You have no actual basis to fall back on, you just believe what they feed you.

If what you state is true, the fish would have perished before you were born because the time line had been long enough by then for this disaster to have already happened. This is no different than you thinking a pile of rocks that allows water to pass through somehow prevents salt from flowing with it.
 

jon coleman

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is it true this ' delta smelt' mosquito fish can be produced by the gazzillions in fish farm hatcherys yet the gubbmint doesn't allow that to be done to " save the delta smelt", the fish is just a control the water& people tool?
 

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That is true of any fish. They do not count hatchery fish for population counts when it comes to ESA status. Not only that, but the environmentalists have fixed it so a rainbow trout in creek 'A' cannot be counted as the same species of a rainbow trout in creek 'B' to get the numbers down and up the chance of getting that all controlling Endangered Species listing that basically ends human activity in that area.
 

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If what you state is true, the fish would have perished before you were born because the time line had been long enough by then for this disaster to have already happened. This is no different than you thinking a pile of rocks that allows water to pass through somehow prevents salt from flowing with it.
You can't introduce material new factors to a situation and expect the same outcome. Diversions are only 100-150 years old.

A rock wall will absolutely slow saltwater intrusion. Saltwater is more dense than freshwater and is concentrated lower. Secondarily and more importantly, the wall slows the flow of water through it. Allowing less water upstream, reduces the amount of salt available to travel upstream. It is then flushed(or partially flushed) as the tide changes.

At the end of the day we need to ask the question, "Is exterminating a fishery and its estuary, worth growing food for other countries?" That's what this all comes down to. Of course this could all be moot in a century based on sea level rise ;)
 

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First, you have to accept that the estuary no longer exists as it did prior to 150 years ago. The levees, reroutes, navigable channels, etc... did not exist then and do now, as do the fish, so they managed to survive the actual changes that took effect. As to whether they will continue to move as salt water enters and laves, with tidal penetration changing over time, again, they have manged to do so for the last 150 years, with not only the changes in salt content flows, but also the addition of toxins, nitrates, etc, from chemical plants around Stockton and all the fertilizers being used and flushed into the system from ag. To say they won't swim what will literally be a few feet farther 'upstream' to move into the less salty water is nonsense. They already do it.
 
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