Promoting Sponsors that help us race

jon coleman

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another good way to race cheaper is sell yourself, go to Everyone w a one page, short , professional looking proposal, start low, and get as many onboard for cheap( much easier to get 10 business s at 50 bucks than one at 500, i watched Ricky Ramirez do this and it worked
 

JerryB

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I'lll jump in here.... We too are a small family team, no big sponsors paying our bills, would be tough to operate without the help from family and friends, and a few companies who have stepped up to help us out a little here and there, with some great products. When you're on a budget every little bit helps. So please yes, SUPPORT THOSE WHO SUPPORT RACING... (thanks for allowing us to help out our sponsors Klaus!)

www.proutvparts.com
Full Throttle Battery
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51rcr

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a few years ago there was a couple posts like this. Dont remember what they were titled.
 
as long as you request it sport's Bf GoodRich tyres& Bilstien shock absorbers, and insist on Valvoline motor oils;)
I'll consider this as my go-to checklist then? jajaja! But seriously, I at least managed to acquire one item from this list already, namely, the BF Goodrich tires. I managed to purchase a set from 4WheelOnline a few months ago.
 

Zac Reish

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My approach is this. offer to pay no matter what. I am not rolling in dough. I work hard and tend to be able to afford racing 2-3 times a year on a good year. Get to know the people that make parts and services that are integral to your program. Try to pay always, recommend their product and services, and sales people to others. Every now and then they may throw you a bone if you are out there doing good with their products. On the flip side most of you high earners would be better off working your ass off, focusing on your job and business which would make you more money and allow you to race more than, chasing crumbs, kissing ass, making a bunch of noise, and being the squeaky wheel. Just my opinion.
The other thing I tend to see (and I could be wrong) is legit sponsors like red bull, monster etc. are only on cars and trucks of multi million dollar operations that would be racing with or without their money at the same level regardless.
 

MTPyle

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Zac,

You are right about just working harder. LOL I keep saying if I would just make a few more sales I could fund my entire race season. But its hard to get work done when you are always racing or thinking about racing. Haha

Its like with drugs, you have to have a good job to afford drugs then when you are addicted to drugs you cant make money like you did before the drugs. Racing is a drug.

I have been tying to work more while we have some time off and we bailed on B500. But I am stupid and figured since I didn't race B500 I could use that money and buy a Harley. So I have been riding more than I should lately and still not working. Haha


But thanks for the encouragement to get back to work. I needed it.

Mike
 

Zac Reish

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Zac,

You are right about just working harder. LOL I keep saying if I would just make a few more sales I could fund my entire race season. But its hard to get work done when you are always racing or thinking about racing. Haha

Its like with drugs, you have to have a good job to afford drugs then when you are addicted to drugs you cant make money like you did before the drugs. Racing is a drug.

I have been tying to work more while we have some time off and we bailed on B500. But I am stupid and figured since I didn't race B500 I could use that money and buy a Harley. So I have been riding more than I should lately and still not working. Haha


But thanks for the encouragement to get back to work. I needed it.

Mike
we all suffer from this addiction in varying degrees. I’ve been doing this for more than half my life and balance is key to not pissing off your close friends and most importantly significant other and family. Take a break. This sport isn’t going anywhere.
 

Josh 8

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Here is what I know for a fact about sponsorships and off-road racing. I am not sure if it applies to left turn racing as I have never done that. I have only ever raced class 8 in the deserts of the south west states and Baja.

“The ones that receive the sponsorship money don’t need it and the ones that need it don’t get it”.

Josh

That’s my quote.

What I mean is, the guys that are gonna go racing can and don’t need the help. The ones that need the help to go racing are not going to get the help. Example. Monster and the Herbts. Do you really think the herbts need monster? Furthermore, my guess is that monster probably pays the herbts about a million to sicker the trucks. And that probably 20% of there annual expenses. So why do this? Taxes. It’s an attempt and making it look legitimate. Heck for all I know maybe they don’t record all there expenses in some years to make paper money so they can write off some huge expenses off the next year. I don’t know. Just speculating. The point is I think the sponsor game is a waste. I don’t do it. I just pay for what I can and if I can’t pay I don’t do it. And Btw, the tax game catches up with you. When it does, the big guys expense the payment to the irs and ftb from a different company account so it does not effect the racing in there mind. The little guy on the other hand only has one wallet and it does not matter wjat side of the pants pocket it’s in. It still costs the same.

I guess to be more to the OP point. I think the people or businesses that sponsor off road racing long term realize the market and know how it works. That is why we have the “contingency game” we have now.
 
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jon coleman

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we all suffer from this addiction in varying degrees. I’ve been doing this for more than half my life and balance is key to not pissing off your close friends and most importantly significant other and family. Take a break. This sport isn’t going anywhere.
ive been on the racing " wagon" since 2012, im Jonesssssing for a race fixxx
 

stephenrjking

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Here is what I know for a fact about sponsorships and off-road racing. I am not sure if it applies to left turn racing as I have never done that. I have only ever raced class 8 in the deserts of the south west states and Baja.

“The ones that receive the sponsorship money don’t need it and the ones that need it don’t get it”.

Josh

That’s my quote.

What I mean is, the guys that are gonna go racing can and don’t need the help. The ones that need the help to go racing are not going to get the help. Example. Monster and the Herbts. Do you really think the herbts need monster? Furthermore, my guess is that monster probably pays the herbts about a million to sicker the trucks. And that probably 20% of there annual expenses. So why do this? Taxes. It’s an attempt and making it look legitimate. Heck for all I know maybe they don’t record all there expenses in some years to make paper money so they can write off some huge expenses off the next year. I don’t know. Just speculating. The point is I think the sponsor game is a waste. I don’t do it. I just pay for what I can and if I can’t pay I don’t do it. And Btw, the tax game catches up with you. When it does, the big guys expense the payment to the irs and ftb from a different company account so it does not effect the racing in there mind. The little guy on the other hand only has one wallet and it does not matter wjat side of the pants pocket it’s in. It still costs the same.

I guess to be more to the OP point. I think the people or businesses that sponsor off road racing long term realize the market and know how it works. That is why we have the “contingency game” we have now.
Why would $1 million in sponsorship money be a waste?

Monster decides what is worth spending on and what isn't. Since I have no idea what they spend to sponsor different trucks, I can't begin to speculate on the economics. But if it is true that bigger dollar teams that would race anyway are the ones that get sponsorship (arguable, depending upon how you define it), then what we seem to have is an "economies of scale" situation. Bigger dollar teams can provide better ROI by better promoting their sponsors and getting better visibility in (and, crucially, AT) races, so they get the money.

Bryce has a lot of cash behind him, but he also has the operation to give Red Bull a lot of bang for their buck with his media and appearances. John Q. Wrencher might be just as fast and be capable of putting up similar results, but his operation is just his buddies cobbling stuff together and an old social media account he hasn't updated since 2018.

I'm just glad there are still some big-money corporations throwing money around. Rockstar just pulled out and it pulled the rug out from under Rob Mac and RJ Anderson, two of the best. Yeah, they're still racing this year, but they're scraping.
 

Josh 8

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Why would $1 million in sponsorship money be a waste?

Monster decides what is worth spending on and what isn't. Since I have no idea what they spend to sponsor different trucks, I can't begin to speculate on the economics. But if it is true that bigger dollar teams that would race anyway are the ones that get sponsorship (arguable, depending upon how you define it), then what we seem to have is an "economies of scale" situation. Bigger dollar teams can provide better ROI by better promoting their sponsors and getting better visibility in (and, crucially, AT) races, so they get the money.

Bryce has a lot of cash behind him, but he also has the operation to give Red Bull a lot of bang for their buck with his media and appearances. John Q. Wrencher might be just as fast and be capable of putting up similar results, but his operation is just his buddies cobbling stuff together and an old social media account he hasn't updated since 2018.

I'm just glad there are still some big-money corporations throwing money around. Rockstar just pulled out and it pulled the rug out from under Rob Mac and RJ Anderson, two of the best. Yeah, they're still racing this year, but they're scraping.

I never said a one million dollar sponsorship was a waste. I would love to have it.

I guess I was not clear. I said, “the sponsorship game is a waste”. Meaning for the small guy, like me it’s a waste to play the game. I am the guy that needs the $$$ to go racing and likewise to my point, I am the guy that’s not gonna get the $$$ either.

As for teams that have mega deep pockets. That can spend $1m on the b1k alone. I would speculate that they like help of having 20% to possibly 33% Of there racing debt covered on a annual basis. It would be foolish to not take the money. But what you guys need to remember is that back in 08 when economy crashed the herbts took a huge lose on the gaming side of there business. Like cheapter 11 size losses. And the oil side didn’t. So when you trying to restructure debt and losses that banks are holding on the casinos all the while your oil distribution (gas stations) side of the family estate is doing just fine it is difficult. Then add all the highly public off road racing to the mix and it started to really look bad as to why you need all the debt forgiveness. Now this is where the sponsorships start to make a lot of sense. If you restructure the racing into a llc or some other form if business venture that makes money, even if the net operating ratio is a loss, its a lot easier to divide and separate businesses from each other. Especially in a courtroom.

***Please remember, regarding the above comments, I do not know the Herbts family And they don’t know me. And I don’t know anything for fact. I am simply speculating as to what could be inside the “box” so to speak. Please don’t miss understand any of what I have said to be fact. I am basing this on what I have seen for the outside and I could be 100% wrong.***

I have been doing this since 2003. Back then I had the big dreams and bigger ideas. I got my self in a self dug hole by 07 and had to step back and recover for a number of years. I went through a some huge life changing events in the process of getting back on my feet. In 2015 fortunes turned and I rebuild an old 8 truck I had been sitting on for a long while. I decided then that I would never ever spend a single dollar I didn’t have on racing or anything else ever again. If I didn’t have available cash in hand I would not spend it. And I was not going to ever tell myself the “sponsorship lie”. The sponsorship lie is the one where you get your self to believe that if I can just win some races... Or make some good showings... Or get my self some magazine coverage.... It goes on and on with the lies we can tell ourselves. Meanwhile we just dig deeper holes of debt and damage to ourself.

No thanks. I will race when I can afford it. If I can’t I don’t. And I realize no one out there cares if I do or don’t. As one poster here on rdc once said, “go try to figure how to get Fig Nootin to sponsor your race car”. Well, I don’t have the time to waste trying. I know I can’t. And like wise I and happy with the amount I can afford to race.
 
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jon coleman

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I never said a one million dollar sponsorship was a waste. I would love to have it.

I guess I was not clear. I said, “the sponsorship game is a waste”. Meaning for the small guy, like me it’s a waste to play the game. I am the guy that needs the $$$ to go racing and likewise to my point, I am the guy that’s not gonna get the $$$ either.

As for teams that have mega deep pockets. That can spend $1m on the b1k alone. I would speculate that they like help of having 20% to possibly 33% Of there racing debt covered on a annual basis. It would be foolish to not take the money. But what you guys need to remember is that back in 08 when economy crashed the herbts took a huge lose on the gaming side of there business. Like cheapter 11 size losses. And the oil side didn’t. So when you trying to restructure debt and losses that banks are holding on the casinos all the while your oil distribution (gas stations) side of the family estate is doing just fine it is difficult. Then add all the highly public off road racing to the mix and it started to really look bad as to why you need all the debt forgiveness. Now this is where the sponsorships start to make a lot of sense. If you restructure the racing into a llc or some other form if business venture that makes money, even if the net operating ratio is a loss, its a lot easier to divide and separate businesses from each other. Especially in a courtroom.

***Please remember, I regards to the above comments, I do not know the Herbts family And they don’t know me. And I don’t know anything for fact. I am simply speculating as to what could be inside the “box” so to speak. Please don’t miss understand any of what I have said to be fact. I am basing this on what I have seen for the outside and I could be 100% wrong.***

I have been doing this since 2003. Back then I had the big dreams and bigger ideas. I got my self in a self dug hole by 07 and had to step back and recover for a number of years. I went through a some huge life changing events in the process of getting back in my feet. In 2015 fortunes turned and I rebuild an old 8 truck I had been sitting on for a long while. I decided then that I would never ever spend a single dollar I didn’t have on racing or anything else ever again. If I didn’t have available cash in had I would not spend it. And I was not going to ever tell myself the “sponsorship lie”. The sponsorship lie is the one where you get your self to believe that if I can just win some races... Or make some good showings... Or get my self some magazine coverage.... It goes on and on with the lies we can tell ourselves. Meanwhile we just dig deeper holes of debt and damage to ourself.

No thanks. I will race when I can afford it. If I can’t I don’t. And I realize no one out there cares if I do or don’t. As one poster here on rdc once said, “go try to figure how to get Fig Nootin to sponsor your race car”. Well, I don’t have the time to waste trying. I know I can’t. And like wise I and happy with the amount I can afford to race.
relax, its easy, just do account balance transfers, 0% interest for 6 months.....( yes, Casey used to get credit card bonus checks for entry fee payments)
 
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