Rice Rockets doomed!

Dave_G

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Well, as some of you may know I have been a reserve deputy sheriff with San Bernardino County for almost 20 years now. I'm currenty assigned as a pilot with the Aviation division. Every 3 months I have to attend a mandatory 8 hour use of force qualification course and legislative update seminar. At the last one I attended on saturday I was almost a sleep when something caught my eye..... A new state law has been amended to stop people from modifying their exhaust system to make more noise. I believe it was intended to target the lowered rice rocket Honda's and Toyota's and their modified loud exhaust systems. ( off roaders might not be immune to this also......)

It is as follows:

27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.

In a nut shell, you can't modify the stock exhaust system where it emits a noise level higher than what comes with the stock make and model vehicle.


Dave


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Dave,

Could you please post: Section 27150, Article 2.5 and Section 27200. I would like to know the exacts as my truck emits just a tad bit more noise then stock. I guess it is time to get a horn since I won't be able to get peoples attention by revin' the motor..


Thanks,

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CoiloverKid

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i think there's a certain decibel level that's standard limit...i know those huge 6 inch ashcan exhausts are really loud...ugh, i cringe just thinking of the sound.

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RE: i think there's a certain decibel level that's standard limit...

As we were told the simple modification of the system to generate more noise was a violation. There is no mention of decibel levels.

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Dave,

Will I find the info in the vehical code book? I am not arguing with you but what you have posted does not say what level of sound is not acceptable. Where can I find the article and other sections that were refrenced, that is where the details are.

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The A.M.A magizine has had articles about noice recently. Certain countys/states are planing on banning any aftermarket motorcycle exhaust regardless of noise loud or quiet. A quiet Harley?

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Good. We need to start impunding those obnoxious imports. I cant stand those things. Every time I see one I try to get in front and give em a brake check so they go under my bumper. I dont understand the point of modyfying a low budget grocery getter to be so loud. I think the full race 600 Hp ones are cool, but the stock imports with a nasty ass exhaust and some stickers is repulsive and even worse is the kids driving think they are badasses.

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Unfortunately, this law/ordinace is not singular in action.

Forget about such nice upgrades as:

4" Diesel Exhaust Systems.
Any Cat-Back system for gas.

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Kritter

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That is true Pat, but who is really gonna get pulled over for exhaust:
A guy with a nice truck and a clean exhaust or a kid with nasty ass exhaust?

Although they would both be violating the ordinance, cops seem to have some leniancy towards the nicer things.

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I dont see how they could make it illegal when say a Flowmaster is legal already so it kinda contridicts itself. Last I knew there was a certain level that it had to be below.

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How will this affect guys with hot rods? Are they going to get tickets just going to car shows? This is another of those idiot laws we could do without! I can't stand the ricers either but this law will affect all the aftermarket exhaust companies import or domestic. It will be interesting to see how strict they enforce this law on the various cars.
 

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This law is going to be used on obnoxious cars (rice rockets). It gives cops the power to pull these guys over and write numerous other vehicel code violations. Hot rods should not be worried and neither should good exhaust manufacturers. Only people who should be worried are the import exhaust manufacturers. A similar law was put into action about 5 years ago and the only people I knew who ever got a ticket were the zipper cars. I had no problems with a monster rat 67 chevelle or el camino in a cop hungry town, they just looked and nodded. Once a cop even said " let me hear it" so I had to jump on it for him and he was impressed. "To Protect and to Serve" and as long as I am protected from high pitched exhaust I am happy.

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Kritter, you are joking right? Your neck can not be that red! LOL

These laws have been on the books for years. And anytime they try to implement some type of “catch all” exhaust law it fails in the courts. Ass long as the folks who like to customize their vehicles and bikes want to change their exhaust and are willing to fight the tickets in court, there will always be ways around these ridiculous laws here in California.
My opinion…… if it burns clean it should be legal. If it’s to loud, YOUR TO OLD! Harley, muscle car, rice rocket, pre-runner, even diesels …… its all good when its loud!



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There was sarcasm in it. I Like the WRX by the way, just not hondas.

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I'm with ya brotha.
WRX likes to eat Honda's.

My WRX sounds like a Porsche with a whislte and a shop-vac hooked up under the hood. This thing makes so many different sounds under the hood that you forget about the open exhaust!


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RE: Will I find the info in the vehical code book?

Tony,
I'm not sure if it is published in the vehicle code book yet or not. You have to remember that this is a new amendment to the CVC and it may not show up yet. The legislative updates we get are brand new laws and court decisions that affect law enforcement. If I have time today I'll call the training division and get the exact code number for you. I wish I had written it down at the time but you know how it goes when your trying to sleep during class. ;-)

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The American Motorcyclist Association has a decibel requirement in all their national off-road competitions. This is a fairly new regulation. If I am not mistaken, there is also a ohv requirement for exhaust decibel level.

I think Kritter is right in saying that cops might target the "rice rockets" more than they would big trucks with 4" exhausts. Cops modify their rides just like you and me! You just don't see them driving a lowered civic with a coffee can exhaust!

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I think the point is here, and correct me if I'm wrong Dave, but it will be the interpretation of the law if / when you are pulled over. More that likely, a judgement call on the officer's behalf, just as the case of many of us not running front license plates, or covers on your off-road lights on your front bumper.....

Think about it.....How many times have you been pulled in your truck for a modification? Ok, now how many rice rocketeers have you seen pulled over?

Worse case scenario, you can try to fight it with technicalities, and interpretation of the law. (I know alot of Lawyers, so thats rubbed off on me a bit...)

Regardless, thanks for the info!!

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speaking of rice rockets [not SUBES, mind you] i really HATE clear corners. i HATE them THIS much. my freind wasnt happy.



oh yeah, you need to get the headlight conversion for the WRX, the carbon fiber ones, like on the wrc. it's a projection conversion isnt it? i heard its like, 600 bucks too.

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Here's the scoop for you lawyer types. I think this is what were talking about here.......

BILL NUMBER: SB 1081 CHAPTERED
BILL TEXT

CHAPTER 92
FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE JULY 23, 2001
APPROVED BY GOVERNOR JULY 20, 2001
PASSED THE ASSEMBLY JULY 2, 2001
PASSED THE SENATE MAY 31, 2001
AMENDED IN SENATE MAY 22, 2001
AMENDED IN SENATE APRIL 16, 2001

INTRODUCED BY Senator Johannessen

FEBRUARY 23, 2001

An act to amend Sections 27150.1, 27150.2, 27150.7, and 27151 of,
and to repeal Sections 23130, 23130.5, 27150.3, 27150.4, 27150.6 and
27150.8 of, the Vehicle Code, relating to vehicles.


LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST


SB 1081, Johannessen. Exhaust and muffler systems.
(1) Existing law establishes noise limits for various types of
motor vehicles based on factors, including, but not limited to, speed
limit. Existing law establishes different noise limits for speed
zones of 35 miles per hour or less on level streets.
This bill would delete these provisions.
(2) Existing law prohibits any person engaged in a business that
involves the selling of motor vehicle exhaust systems from selling or
installing a motor vehicle exhaust system that does not meet
regulations and standards. Existing law provides that a violation of
this provision is a misdemeanor.
This bill would provide that motor vehicle exhaust systems include
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
(3) Existing law requires the Commissioner of the California
Highway Patrol to conduct a study and to adopt regulations setting
standards for the certification of exhaust systems, which regulations
would become effective one year after they are filed with the
Legislature. Existing law authorizes the commissioner to provide for
the exemption of vehicular exhaust systems where compliance with the
regulations would cause an unreasonable hardship without resulting
in a sufficient corresponding benefit with respect to noise level
control. Existing law requires the regulations to include provisions
for the licensing of stations to implement these provisions.
This bill would require these regulations to provide that exhaust
systems installed on motor vehicles weighing less than 6,000 pounds
that emit no more than 95 dbA comply with specified requirements.
This bill would delete the provisions relating to the study and the
filing of regulations with the Legislature.
(4) Existing law authorizes a court to dismiss any action in which
a person is prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of
specified provisions relating to noise limits, if certain conditions
are met.
This bill would instead authorize a court to dismiss an action in
which a person is prosecuted for a violation of specified provisions
concerning the use of mufflers and exhaust systems, if the vehicle is
equipped with an exhaust system that complies with the regulations
described in (3).
(5) Existing law requires manufacturers of motorcycles and
motorcycle accessories to certify to the Department of the California
Highway Patrol, prior to the sale of a motorcycle exhaust system,
that the system is in compliance with the standards and regulations
adopted by the commissioner.
This bill would delete this provision.
(6) Existing law prohibits the modification of exhaust systems to
amplify or increase the noise emitted such that the system violates
existing noise limits.
This bill would provide that for vehicles of less than 6,000
pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less
complies with noise limits.


THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:


SECTION 1. Section 23130 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 2. Section 23130.5 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 3. Section 27150.1 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
27150.1. On and after the effective date of regulations and
standards adopted by the commissioner pursuant to Section 27150.2, no
person engaged in a business which involves the selling of motor
vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but not limited
to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a motor
vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not limited
to, a muffler, unless it meets those regulations and standards. Motor
vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not
limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
SEC. 4. Section 27150.2 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
27150.2. The commissioner shall adopt regulations setting
standards for vehicular exhaust systems consistent with Article 2.5
(commencing with Section 27200). The regulations shall include, but
need not be limited to, the following:
(a) Provisions for standards for vehicular exhaust systems, based
on manufacturers' data and subject to any inspections and other
verification the commissioner may prescribe. The regulations shall
include provisions specifying that exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles, other than motorcycles, with a manufacturer's gross
vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, that emit no more
than 95 dbA when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive
Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, comply with Sections 27150 and
27151.
(b) Provisions for the licensing of stations to implement this
section and Section 27150.1, and for the denial, revocation, or
suspension of any license for failure to comply with this section or
any regulation adopted thereunder.
The regulations may provide for the exemption of vehicular exhaust
systems where compliance with the regulations would cause an
unreasonable hardship without resulting in a sufficient corresponding
benefit with respect to noise level control.
SEC. 5. Section 27150.3 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 6. Section 27150.4 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 7. Section 27150.6 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 8. Section 27150.7 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
27150.7. A court may dismiss any action in which a person is
prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or
27151 if it is found that the vehicle was equipped with an exhaust
system in compliance with regulations adopted by the commissioner
pursuant to Section 27150.2, and that the defendant had reasonable
grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order
and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not
operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
SEC. 9. Section 27150.8 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 10. Section 27151 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.


Dave


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