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<blockquote data-quote="martininsocal" data-source="post: 15057" data-attributes="member: 107"><p>what you fail to understand is that you have now built up a class that joe shmoe can't afford to build. no one was having problems with bus boxes, even in the 80's, they were legal then too. why the need for 930's? in the past, there was no need because the body was the ultimate limiter of up travel, but now you can rip out and replace the fenderwell with aluminum! why the 1" longer arm? i have a set of boxed stock rear arms that have lasted for years, no bends. just not longer. when you had to run the stock parts, you had to run slower to make them last. period. people started running faster and breaking stuff, then started whining about it. then they got stronger parts and the class just went up another notch in the cash department. 5-1600 is suppose to be a beginners class where costs are suppose to be reasonable to get started in racing. how much will a new, state of the art 5-1600 cost with all the best parts now? 25,000? that is not cheap. as for brake drums and stubs, i have some brand new type 181's in the box, and they were cheaper than the kartek drums. you could always run the bus drums, you won't break those! sure, some of the changes like stock steering boxes, or the original rear shock mounting location have gone by the wayside, but you still built the car out of vw parts for the most part. now the only thing vw is the pan, what remains of teh body, and the bus trans case. keep the entry level classes entry level, thats all i'm saying. the more you make it a rich mans sport, the more it becomes one.</p><p></p><p>martin</p><p></p><p>If your gonna go, go BIG</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="martininsocal, post: 15057, member: 107"] what you fail to understand is that you have now built up a class that joe shmoe can't afford to build. no one was having problems with bus boxes, even in the 80's, they were legal then too. why the need for 930's? in the past, there was no need because the body was the ultimate limiter of up travel, but now you can rip out and replace the fenderwell with aluminum! why the 1" longer arm? i have a set of boxed stock rear arms that have lasted for years, no bends. just not longer. when you had to run the stock parts, you had to run slower to make them last. period. people started running faster and breaking stuff, then started whining about it. then they got stronger parts and the class just went up another notch in the cash department. 5-1600 is suppose to be a beginners class where costs are suppose to be reasonable to get started in racing. how much will a new, state of the art 5-1600 cost with all the best parts now? 25,000? that is not cheap. as for brake drums and stubs, i have some brand new type 181's in the box, and they were cheaper than the kartek drums. you could always run the bus drums, you won't break those! sure, some of the changes like stock steering boxes, or the original rear shock mounting location have gone by the wayside, but you still built the car out of vw parts for the most part. now the only thing vw is the pan, what remains of teh body, and the bus trans case. keep the entry level classes entry level, thats all i'm saying. the more you make it a rich mans sport, the more it becomes one. martin If your gonna go, go BIG [/QUOTE]
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