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pappawheely

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While that may be true that they aren't protesting at the races, I've seen plenty of them giving plenty of dirty looks armed with cameras.

The hypocracy is overwhelming. For example, just today the California head of the Ku Klux Clan came out and endorsed Hillary, I'm hearing pins drop. Remember just a few weeks David Duke Endorsed Trump? It was a media fire storm...

More hypocracy...
How's this for Hypocrisy? Wind farms are not prosecuted for killing protected birds of prey but oil and coal companies are. http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-eagle-death-wind-farm-oil-energy-epa-2013-5
 

JDDurfey

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I don't know where it is, but one of the solar farms produces electricity by using mirrors to focus the sun on a central "tank" of some sort that heats the water creating steam to turn steam turbines, thus producing electricity. However, when it is cloudy they use natural gas piped in to heat the water and in the mornings they "pre-heat" the water the same way.

The natural gas they use is exponentially more than a natural gas powered power plant. The way they use it is much more inefficient than the way it is normally used to produce electricity, but because they are doing it under the "green flag" of solar they get away with it.

Anybody remember Solyndra?
Solyndra Scandal | Full Coverage of Failed Solar Startup - The Washington Post

I work in the oil industry. We are being shut down and have so much red tape to go through to sink a well it is unbelievable. There are so many lies and falsehoods surrounding the oil industry that is told to the general public that causes them to look at the oil companies as the devil. Yes, there are occasions where accidents happen and oil is spilled. But when you compare how many barrels of oil is pumped out of the ground compared to what gets spilled it puts it into perspective.

I have a friend that works on the wind turbines and he was telling me that after a couple of years it costs just as much if not more to maintain them than the electricity they produce. So who is paying to keep them going? I imagine we, the taxpayers, are.
 

Dirty Harry

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MM: It may be a shock but this and other concerns have been major discussions for a long time; yet a lot of the elite in the community seem to have ignored the issues... I enjoy the endless spam I receive, and hope that in the future maybe a little of that energy might focus on important issues that affect the sport & community.
You probably shouldn't be the voice of land use. Here was a great opportunity to educate people but instead you insult the guy who started the thread. I appreciate your efforts but please understand that it doesn't HAVE to be a thankless job unless you make it that way.


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C.J. Hutchins

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yeah, its only ok to kill 1,000's or tortoises if you are blading the desert for solar fields that are govt subsidized. the politics behind it all would absolutely disgust you. Pelosi and Reid families made millions. the newest scam, is they are trying to give the old mint 400 course north of vegas, to the tribe, so they can then lease it back from them for more solar of course.
 

race-desert

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sorta off topic---didn't i see pics from this years mint 400 here there were racing down a fence line of a pv solar plant?
 

J Prich

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My humble opinion, this is partly symbolic of how "they" win. We sit around and complain on the internet to each other, argue with each other about who, why, etc, then go back to our garages to work on and play with our toys.

They mobolize, spend their money on their causes, write their elected officials in droves, join and support groups that actively fight for their cause, etc.

In my personal opinion, we lose in part because we don't all pull in the same direction. They do. It's been this way for decades. The collective "we" is upset, outraged, and interested but we don't translate any of that in to meaningful and tangible actions designed to affect change.
 

Bro_Gill

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You claiming weather is man made?:confused:

Otherwise, I fail to see the point of your post.
Well, according to many of 'them' man is modifying the weather, right? Besides that, many places where of roading is banned due to things like dust or erossion are actually affected by teh weather much more than off roading would affect, and the cumulative impact is what the Gov't uses to modify or eliminate the activities of man. Pismo Beach Dunes is a perfect example of this. Even when off roading has been stopped temporarily due to something that has happened in the area, the dust collectors down wind still pick up high particulates and the environmentalists still use that data to try and stop off roading in the dunes. So while weather may not be 'man made', they sure do use it to stop our sport.
 

snoreracer

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This is the only solar that we need, on our roof tops

Newly installed solar panels are seen on the roof of Mandalay Bay Convention Center in Las Vegas during a tour Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2014. The solar panels are scheduled to go online Nov. 28 and will supply 20 percent of the power of Mandalay Bay casino-hotel.



LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz toured the new solar array on the roof of the convention center at Mandalay Bay during a stop in Las Vegas Wednesday.

Set to go on line in late November, the array will use 21,324 photovoltaic panels packed together on 20 acres of rooftop to generate 5 megawatts of electricity. That’s enough to supply Mandalay Bay with about 20 percent of its load and help the resort avoid buying power at peak times when energy is at its most expensive.

The array is owned by energy company NRG, which built it using federal grants that paid for about 20 percent of the panels. Cindy Ortega, chief sustainability officer for MGM Resorts, owner of Mandalay Bay, said she expects this first-of-its-kind project to lead to more solar panels on rooftops along the Strip.
 

Bro_Gill

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"This is the only solar that we need, on our roof tops"


But that isn't what the Gov't or environmentalists have created as an alternative. Those solar farms live because the Gov't, through pushes by the enviro crowds, mandates that existing power companies MUST BUY alternative energy from clean sources. In California, that amount is up to 25% of power supplied. With that being a mandate and fines and penalties for not complying, rooftop falls way short of that goal. The Gov't is basically mandating that these farms be built to meet those goals, and the fact that in the winter time, when power demand eclipses even the hot summer months, and solar produces at it lowest capacities, How are they going to offset that demand with 25% alternative when:
-It doesn't work at night.
-It doesn't work sell when cloudy.
-It doesn't work well when covered with snow.
-It doesn't work well in rain.

See the problem? Gov't in cahoots with the enviro lobby has created a scenario where solar, which could have been a good thing, will now become a financial disaster because Gov't got involved.
 

Bdub 1020

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My humble opinion, this is partly symbolic of how "they" win. We sit around and complain on the internet to each other, argue with each other about who, why, etc, then go back to our garages to work on and play with our toys.

They mobolize, spend their money on their causes, write their elected officials in droves, join and support groups that actively fight for their cause, etc.

In my personal opinion, we lose in part because we don't all pull in the same direction. They do. It's been this way for decades. The collective "we" is upset, outraged, and interested but we don't translate any of that in to meaningful and tangible actions designed to affect change.
Well said, Herding cats. Off road racers want to be individuals. They think they come up with Top secret ideas that allow them to be a winner against a very few , WOW look how bad arse i am haha. Classes cant even organize to get a bigger payback from a promoter to cover some of the big money they spend for a hobby. (Rednecks that race Monster Trucks figured it out) If off roaders do not unite we will never have a say of what happens in or to our playgrounds. Back to MM solar farms are a total scam by politicians period. We only need rooftop solar.
 

ACME

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You probably shouldn't be the voice of land use. Here was a great opportunity to educate people but instead you insult the guy who started the thread. I appreciate your efforts but please understand that it doesn't HAVE to be a thankless job unless you make it that way.


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I'm not a voice, just an involved squeaky wheel...

I just found it interesting that for years, this information has been on here (their site) and notifications of events pertaining to this topic and others have been sent to them and posted, yet there has been no comment or involvement. And now a single innocuous post and there's outrage? Is it an epiphany or an attempt to drive content in a forum that has shown a considerable lack of involvement recently? It just makes you wonder how involved and interested people actually are in the community and issues we face.

Climbing back under my rock...
 

snoreracer

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"This is the only solar that we need, on our roof tops"


But that isn't what the Gov't or environmentalists have created as an alternative. Those solar farms live because the Gov't, through pushes by the enviro crowds, mandates that existing power companies MUST BUY alternative energy from clean sources. In California, that amount is up to 25% of power supplied. With that being a mandate and fines and penalties for not complying, rooftop falls way short of that goal. The Gov't is basically mandating that these farms be built to meet those goals, and the fact that in the winter time, when power demand eclipses even the hot summer months, and solar produces at it lowest capacities, How are they going to offset that demand with 25% alternative when:
-It doesn't work at night.
-It doesn't work sell when cloudy.
-It doesn't work well when covered with snow.
-It doesn't work well in rain.

See the problem? Gov't in cahoots with the enviro lobby has created a scenario where solar, which could have been a good thing, will now become a financial disaster because Gov't got involved.
True the state of Nevada did the same thing and has forced a coal fired power plant to shut down in 2 years. I hear over and over that a large majority want clean power and we need to stop using coal . But it is a fact that solar and wind power cost 3 times more than coal, and no one told these people that their power bill will more almost triple when we lose coal as a power generator. Well we will breath easier when we can't afford to run the AC when it hits 110
 

Bro_Gill

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You folks around Vegas are in a unique situation right now. Your power company has convinced the regulators that there will be no incentives to put solar on roofs, so the cost is much higher for you. I have heard that may change soon, but right now, you have been denied a choice by the Regulators who work for a Gov't. But the point still stands, they are closing areas in the name of environmental protection, refusing recreation access for OHV and races, but then sign over the land to friends of the environment so they can scrape them down to dirt and build solar panel farms on them. Right now, solar is being controlled by big business and that may never change. So you have big solar fighting with big electric about who is gonna get to supply power in the end. Many public servants in elected positions are getting very rich owning stock in companies on both sides, depending on where you live. The current regulations state that you cannot place clean renewable on your own home that surpasses around 70% of usage. It changes in different areas, but it is illegal to be off the grid if the grid is available. Tell me again who the politicians are working for?
 

JDDurfey

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Bro, I lived in Lancaster 12 years ago and worked in Mojave at the airport. The wind blows there constantly, but there are regulations on how many wind generators a private individual can put up to generate their own power. I cannot remember now what they are, but I clearly remember thinking it was ridiculous that the laws were so restrictive and forced people to stay "hooked up" And mind you, I didn't know anyone that wanted to completely disconnect from the electric company, they just wanted to make their own and maybe even sell some back. I don't blame them, living in that wind tunnel they needed some perks and making some money or simply saving money while just about getting blown off the face of the earth everyday would be nice for the people living there.
 
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