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I did the 2019 Mexican 1000 in my XX. This April for the 2021 event we have put together a support group. Anyone who wants to join check it out and contact me. We still have a few spots left. Thanks, Dick Master unit 220 El Diablo RG
This is the plan!
2021 NORRA Mexican 1000

1. Provide support for Speed UTV’s for the 2021 Mexican 1000
A. Transport spares that can be purchased on a first come as needed basis.
B. Provide hand tools, special tools, welders, equipment, and technical advice during the event.
C. Track everyone’s race vehicle and chase vehicle and provide communication link to entire race team.
D. Provide emergency sweep on a first come basis. (Planning 1 sweep per 3-4 cars)
E. Provide advice on accommodations and fuel for the event.
2. What each race team needs to provide.
A. Speed UTV prepared to NORRA rules for the race. We can help with advice to meet the rules.
B. Race radio and either Lowrance or Lead Nav in the Race vehicle.
C. A chase truck and trailer with at least 1 driver. For an additional fee ( around $1500-2000 depending on air fares) we can provide a driver to pull your trailer during the race. (Meet in San Diego and cross the border in a group)
1. We race with two teams of Driver/ Navigator so we share expenses and the team not racing drives the chase truck to the gas spot and team change over.
2. You can race with only one team but someone needs to drive your chase truck and trailer.
D. A Garmin Inreach devise for both your race vehicle and chase vehicle. (You don’t need a subscription, as they will be added to our master subscription).
E. Lowrance and radio in the chase truck.
F. $3000.00 to Idaho Off road Racers for your share of support / communications team expenses.
G. Your entry to race approx. $3067.00 to NORRA.
H. Your own rooms (multiple options $3-500 or ? per person).
1. We can refer you to booking agents and give you a link to NORRAs hotel list.
I. Your own fuel. (You can contract through Mag 7 to provide or have your chase crew do it) We can give you the options.
J. Food for your team. (On the nights NORRA doesn’t provide we will have a grill set up and we have a large fridge in the “Mother ship”)
K. Charge card and authorization for replacement parts if needed during race.
3. General Plan.
A. Support six teams for the event. "First come first served"
1. Real time tracking and communication for all race, chase and sweep vehicles.
2. Sweep truck and trailer with emergency tools, tires, and gas for every 3-4 competitors.
3. “Mother ship” and enclosed trailer for tool, welders, compressor, spares.
B. Take a non refundable (transfer OK) $3000.00 deposit to cover your share of the expenses ( see 2.F above) on a first come basis.
C. Teams should budget $8-12 thousand for this event.
D. Meet in San Diego the day before tech opens in the AM Thursday April 23, 2021. Cross the border and check into hotel
E. Friday and Saturday Tech, registration etc.
F. Sunday 4-25 to Thursday 4-29. 2021 Five days of racing down the peninsula to Cabo
G. Friday April 30 Awards ceremony.
H. Saturday and Sunday relax in Cabo.
I. Monday caravan back to US 2-3 days as we feel like it.
J. Everyone is free to tag along or head straight back after the race.
K. More info go to NORRA site: https://www.norra.com/mexican1000_info.php#hotels
L. Call Dick Rockrohr 208-867-6943
buellracer1@yahoo.com
Idaho Off Road Racers IDORR
 

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"225hp on pump fuel at 15psi.
305hp on VPC16 at 24psi
No official numbers on E85 yet"

Any idea what correction factor was used on that run ? I asked when Todd posted the video and got Crickets and fan boys blowing up my dm's telling me I was troll for asking a simple question.
 

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No idea on the correction factor.
I hope they clarify the engine dyno runs tonight on the Livestream.

Hope so , Between nothing on CARB, and only some of the dyno data it doesn't give warm fuzzies - you can minipulate alot of data by playing with correction factors to pump numbers up - If the testing is done with carb the dyno runs should already be done and published (granted its in kw but 1kw is 1.34 mechanical hp) It would suck to come this far to have some tree hugger hold up the release.
 

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Hope so , Between nothing on CARB, and only some of the dyno data it doesn't give warm fuzzies - you can minipulate alot of data by playing with correction factors to pump numbers up - If the testing is done with carb the dyno runs should already be done and published (granted its in kw but 1kw is 1.34 mechanical hp) It would suck to come this far to have some tree hugger hold up the release.
They've mentioned they had to get magnaflow involved and they solved their CARB issue almost immediately. Feels like 6 weeks ago or so.

Do Polaris and Can-Am share their correction factor?
 

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Why would you not have warm fuzzy feelings because of some Dyno #’s stated? It was said they have met all of Carb’s requirements. I’d assume it takes time for final results to get posted and with COVID I could see them delaying it from being posted. Everyone uses COVID as an excuse as to why something is not done.

Awhile back I was told the company Speed hired to help get them through omission testing. It’s the same Company BRP/Can Am uses, so it’s not like Todd or Robby are doing this themselves and figuring it out. This is what this company does. They work for many companies that are needing compliance, from lawn mowers to automobiles.

Todd had said that for Carb they are only testing off of injector # 1 for emissions, but all the power is made off of injector # 2. If this is the case will the Carb hp numbers even match?

In normal passenger vehicles the Carb testing is way more stringent, but the testing for under 1000cc off highway vehicles was less restrictive and why they only measure off of the 1 injector vs both injectors per cylinder.
 

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They've mentioned they had to get magnaflow involved and they solved their CARB issue almost immediately. Feels like 6 weeks ago or so.

Do Polaris and Can-Am share their correction factor?

When their numbers are verified and validated by carb publishings vs their claims why would they need to , the fact they did an independant dyno , have the info used , and could publish it but opt out makes you wonder. No production (only race) chassis has been shown yet carb requires a completed production level car for emissions testing at 0 and 6200 miles. After seeing the delays in the XX from 2017 on my two family members that have 4500 cash in Speeds hands are getting nervous that everything shown is XX's that have lipstick on them vs a production car - if your trying to finalize patents then cover those parts with a rag or whatever but show folks the cars are built vs showing more renderings and random engine parts being machined or whatever. To fit the timeline it seems they are way behind. I hope thats not the case but it doesn't appear to be the situation.

Why would you not have warm fuzzy feelings because of some Dyno #’s stated? It was said they have met all of Carb’s requirements. I’d assume it takes time for final results to get posted and with COVID I could see them delaying it from being posted. Everyone uses COVID as an excuse as to why something is not done.

Awhile back I was told the company Speed hired to help get them through omission testing. It’s the same Company BRP/Can Am uses, so it’s not like Todd or Robby are doing this themselves and figuring it out. This is what this company does. They work for many companies that are needing compliance, from lawn mowers to automobiles.

Todd had said that for Carb they are only testing off of injector # 1 for emissions, but all the power is made off of injector # 2. If this is the case will the Carb hp numbers even match?

In normal passenger vehicles the Carb testing is way more stringent, but the testing for under 1000cc off highway vehicles was less restrictive and why they only measure off of the 1 injector vs both injectors per cylinder.

Carb will test the emissions point at the exhaust , the kw hp rating is tested at the crank. Carb has updated the 2021's that have been submitted last at 8-31 and other models on road in september - On-Road New Vehicle & Engine Certification Program if its already passed it would be published.

Im not trying to throw shade but when tough questions dont get answered vs what size a cup holder is the easier ones get attention. knowing what AC/textron whatever you wanna call them went through to get the xx into production due to testing issues , and knowing what folks went through with the exotic 100k speedcats it makes you wonder.
 

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So this speed engine is being designed and built in house by speed correct? Is it loosely based on the z1 or anything else?
 

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So this speed engine is being designed and built in house by speed correct? Is it loosely based on the z1 or anything else?
You could say in house as it’s a Speed UTV purpose built engine. I think the Z1 was inspiration, but I’m told it’s nothing like a Z1. Robby has hired very experienced people to design this engine. Two big players in the design and development of the engine is Joey Arrington & Don Losito. One other person who I don’t know, I think is from the Indy car world has been apart of it. And then you have the guys at Push Turbo developing the turbo, and James Lin doing the wiring harness and computer programming. Both Arrington and Losito come from the NASCAR engine world. Arrington is credited as being apart of the team that designed & developed the Dodge NASCAR engine when they returned to NASCAR’s Truck & Cup series.

This engine was designed in North Carolina not China. Watch Robby’s latest Instagram videos as he walks around Arrington Racing Engines shop. It’s like you would think a NASCAR or Indy car engine shop would look like.

The production turbo manifold was inspired by the manifold on the Cosworth Indy car engine. Even the material being used is very high tech. Look up Inconel if you want to see how high tech the material used on the turbo manifold is. You will never see Polaris or Can Am using Inconel.
 

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When their numbers are verified and validated by carb publishings vs their claims why would they need to , the fact they did an independant dyno , have the info used , and could publish it but opt out makes you wonder. No production (only race) chassis has been shown yet carb requires a completed production level car for emissions testing at 0 and 6200 miles. After seeing the delays in the XX from 2017 on my two family members that have 4500 cash in Speeds hands are getting nervous that everything shown is XX's that have lipstick on them vs a production car - if your trying to finalize patents then cover those parts with a rag or whatever but show folks the cars are built vs showing more renderings and random engine parts being machined or whatever. To fit the timeline it seems they are way behind. I hope thats not the case but it doesn't appear to be the situation.



Carb will test the emissions point at the exhaust , the kw hp rating is tested at the crank. Carb has updated the 2021's that have been submitted last at 8-31 and other models on road in september - On-Road New Vehicle & Engine Certification Program if its already passed it would be published.

Im not trying to throw shade but when tough questions dont get answered vs what size a cup holder is the easier ones get attention. knowing what AC/textron whatever you wanna call them went through to get the xx into production due to testing issues , and knowing what folks went through with the exotic 100k speedcats it makes you wonder.
It literally is going on the dyno for the first time and you’re upset they used the shop across the street?

Why mention the on-road changes? Is that the certification they are going for?

Worse comes to worse and James can call the guys at VW for some tips ;)
 

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Wouldnt nov first be a cool delivery date. I will not bitch if its jan first. They have a ton to do. I would rather it be right. 218 or 219 is mine. I think they want paid 30 days before delivery. It would be nice to keep that ratio intact.
 

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It literally is going on the dyno for the first time and you’re upset they used the shop across the street?

Why mention the on-road changes? Is that the certification they are going for?

Worse comes to worse and James can call the guys at VW for some tips ;)

Onroad changes meaning they are publishing and updating the site - the remark towards me that was made was "It was said they have met all of Carb’s requirements. I’d assume it takes time for final results to get posted and with COVID I could see them delaying it from being posted" if they have met carbs requirements it would be published I'd think ? And It would have had to be on a dyno for more than the first time if they met carbs requirements - so which is it, the first time its been on the dyno or was there a false statement made that they met carbs requirements?

like I said I have two family members that shelled out the money for RG editions , I'm not upset in the slightest that they used a local dyno shop for testing of the engine - imo its the smarter thing to do but stories aren't aligning much like it did when they were working with AC , and with the guys that spent 100k on the speedcats.

The horror stories I heard and saw with my own two eyes on the speedcats does not reflect what is being said on the internet about the awesome quality that the entire car will have. Who they chose to use for the turbo alone (push turbo) should be a red flag to anyone waiting on a car.
 

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Will anyone be out at the race this weekend? If so please post up some pics of the car and your thoughts on it in real life!
 

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