The "Official" Dakar 2017 Thread

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He had the seizure(s) later and the media has misconstrued it as to it being the possible cause of the crash. Still not cool but hopefully will have a lesser effect on his racing:
I’VE HAD A COUPLE OF ROUGH NIGHTS HERE IN LA PAZ, THE LANGUAGE BARRIER HAS BEEN EXTREMELY CHALLENGING AND I SUFFERED A SEIZURE WHICH HAS ROCKED ME A LITTLE BIT BUT THE SPECIALIST IS WORKING HARD TO TARGET THE TRIGGER TO THIS AND THEY ARE SUSPECTING THIS WAS DUE TO A BLOOD CLOT IN MY LUNG. IN SAYING THAT, I’VE HAD A COUPLE OF AUSTRALIAN FRIENDS WHO WERE TRAVELING WITH THE DAKAR RALLY WHO WERE KIND ENOUGH TO VISIT, THE TEAM ALSO VISITED YESTERDAY WAS WAS INCREDIBLE OF THEM.
 

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NBC sports had a bit of the hospital interview. No mention of a seizure causing the wreck.

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Wow, there doesn't seem to be much interest this year. I know that you guys in this forum love rally raid, and I have been trying to become a fan but it is not easy. Maybe you guys would like input from a potential fan who would like to be and see Dakar have more interest in the U.S.

You may just want to slam me for being ignorant and/or stupid, but it is always good to understand why a sport has trouble winning new fans such as me. Right now I worry that Dakar is like world cup soccer in that there isn't much interest here unless an America is competing for the win.

What I like:

1.The challenging varied terrain
2. Multi day racing
3. Staged rally format (specials with transits)

By the way, I race the NORRA Mexican 1000 each year that has each of the above. NORRA re-started 2010 as a vintage rally but now attracts many of the biggest names in desert racing.

What keeps me form being a fan:

1. Politics - I don't trust the French who love their Peugeot's

2. Team orders - RG is the only reason I kept up on Dakar after Peterhansel was told to give up the win.

3. Using restrictor plates to try to equalize the vehicles - American race fans are familiar with restrictor plates in Nascar at two tracks to limit speed, but at least everyone has to use the same restrictor plate. How successful would Nascar be if the Fords had to run a smaller restrictor plate than the Chevy's? I don't believe any real race fan will ever understand limiting one make or engine to benefit another.

4. Road book navigation - I could take this or leave it. In NORRA we are given road books but have the option of using GPS. The NORRA entry list would look more like the Sonora Rally entry list if GPS was outlawed. My single seat vintage car doesn't have room to run the equipment to use road book. I think most American race fans want to concentrate on the racing and not worry about their hero getting lost in the desert.

What would make me a Dakar fanatic?

1. No restrictor plates

2. Classes that make sense - from unlimited down to stock old VW's. Allowing Score/BITD vehicles and vehicle rules to compete in their existing classes would get US teams to show up in S. America.

What would be really cool would be for SCORE/BITD racers to be allowed to form classes that they currently race in to compete. This would be in addition to the current classes. This forum would be on fire to see if the Americans could overall the Dakar.
 

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NBC sports had a bit of the hospital interview. No mention of a seizure causing the wreck.

Red Bull TV had an interview with him in the hospital. He was hurt pretty badly. He seemed chipper but was pale and a bit gaunt. Massive loss of blood, compound fracture, seizures. It is worse than what was initially reported. He indicated the seizures were after the crash.
 

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You may just want to slam me for being ignorant and/or stupid, but it is always good to understand why a sport has trouble winning new fans such as me. Right now I worry that Dakar is like world cup soccer in that there isn't much interest here unless an America is competing for the win.

Stop worrying about it's popularity in the USA, ASO's Dakar event does just fine with out us. I'm OK with you not "getting it" and I see no reason to slam you because you don't.
 

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Red Bull TV had an interview with him in the hospital. He was hurt pretty badly. He seemed chipper but was pale and a bit gaunt. Massive loss of blood, compound fracture, seizures. It is worse than what was initially reported. He indicated the seizures were after the crash.

It is most likely the seizure was from a blood clot derived from the broken femur. A clot in the lung like that can easily kill you.
 

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If they can mount the needed gear on a motorcycle, it can be mounted in a single seat car. Tim and Tom Coronel do it!
That is what Darren Skilton also said. He suggested a motorcycle setup but since I sit so low, I wouldn't be able to see over it. I have the smallest car running Norra. 1976 Funco.

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1. Politics - I don't trust the French who love their Peugeot's

I think that this is more perception than reality. Prior to last year, German automakers had won the race for seven years in a row. Toby Price (Aussie) won on a bike last year. Marc Coma (Spaniard) has won a ton of races on a bike and now is part of the organization that puts on the race. Nasser has won twice in recent history in German vehicles.

Where this really comes into play is at the daily meetings, which are held in French and then translated to English. Rally raid has pretty intricate rules and details, and some of these definitely get lost in translation. Not as bad as George Antill trying to speak Spanish but you get the idea.

2. Team orders - RG is the only reason I kept up on Dakar after Peterhansel was told to give up the win.

I feel you on that. I think that team orders are dumb too, but I also understand why they exist. I don't care for Nani Roma ever since I saw that photo of Peterhansel parked with Roma driving by (plus the guy tragically looks like Jean Girard from Talladega Nights)

3. Using restrictor plates to try to equalize the vehicles - American race fans are familiar with restrictor plates in Nascar at two tracks to limit speed, but at least everyone has to use the same restrictor plate. How successful would Nascar be if the Fords had to run a smaller restrictor plate than the Chevy's? I don't believe any real race fan will ever understand limiting one make or engine to benefit another.

They used to have unrestricted races but after enough people died they started to put restrictions on the power of the cars and trucks.

Personally this is one of the things I love about Dakar (and off-road racing in general). They tweak the rules every year to make the playing field level, but they don't mandate that you have to run a pushrod V8 with a displacement of 350 ci or less. Up until last year everyone was convinced that a 4WD, diesel was the only way to win. Then Peugeot came in with a 2WD and changed the game.

4. Road book navigation - I could take this or leave it. In NORRA we are given road books but have the option of using GPS. The NORRA entry list would look more like the Sonora Rally entry list if GPS was outlawed. My single seat vintage car doesn't have room to run the equipment to use road book. I think most American race fans want to concentrate on the racing and not worry about their hero getting lost in the desert.

I completely disagree. I see rally raid as a thinking man's race, and I love that the navigation is such an important factor. The driver has to drive what they can see as fast as possible without overdriving the car and getting in trouble. The navigator has to keep track of where they are, particularly if they are the lead car. Smart racers will even sandbag stages, trying to lose as little time as they can, when they know that the next stage will be difficult for navigation. This is my favorite part of Dakar and rally raid.

2. Classes that make sense - from unlimited down to stock old VW's. Allowing Score/BITD vehicles and vehicle rules to compete in their existing classes would get US teams to show up in S. America.

What would be really cool would be for SCORE/BITD racers to be allowed to form classes that they currently race in to compete. This would be in addition to the current classes. This forum would be on fire to see if the Americans could overall the Dakar.

ASO already allows SCORE vehicles to enter the race. That was what the Humbuggy fit under and Darren Skilton's race car as well. I don't think that is what is keeping Americans from racing in the Dakar Rally. Robby's race effort, which is shoestring by Dakar standards, is still several times what the top TT teams spend to race for a season. If you want to be competitive for the overall it is going to take a lot of money and you cannot expect it to happen in the first or second year.
 

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I think that this is more perception than reality. Prior to last year, German automakers had won the race for seven years in a row. Toby Price (Aussie) won on a bike last year. Marc Coma (Spaniard) has won a ton of races on a bike and now is part of the organization that puts on the race. Nasser has won twice in recent history in German vehicles.

Where this really comes into play is at the daily meetings, which are held in French and then translated to English. Rally raid has pretty intricate rules and details, and some of these definitely get lost in translation. Not as bad as George Antill trying to speak Spanish but you get the idea.



I feel you on that. I think that team orders are dumb too, but I also understand why they exist. I don't care for Nani Roma ever since I saw that photo of Peterhansel parked with Roma driving by (plus the guy tragically looks like Jean Girard from Talladega Nights)



They used to have unrestricted races but after enough people died they started to put restrictions on the power of the cars and trucks.

Personally this is one of the things I love about Dakar (and off-road racing in general). They tweak the rules every year to make the playing field level, but they don't mandate that you have to run a pushrod V8 with a displacement of 350 ci or less. Up until last year everyone was convinced that a 4WD, diesel was the only way to win. Then Peugeot came in with a 2WD and changed the game.



I completely disagree. I see rally raid as a thinking man's race, and I love that the navigation is such an important factor. The driver has to drive what they can see as fast as possible without overdriving the car and getting in trouble. The navigator has to keep track of where they are, particularly if they are the lead car. Smart racers will even sandbag stages, trying to lose as little time as they can, when they know that the next stage will be difficult for navigation. This is my favorite part of Dakar and rally raid.



ASO already allows SCORE vehicles to enter the race. That was what the Humbuggy fit under and Darren Skilton's race car as well. I don't think that is what is keeping Americans from racing in the Dakar Rally. Robby's race effort, which is shoestring by Dakar standards, is still several times what the top TT teams spend to race for a season. If you want to be competitive for the overall it is going to take a lot of money and you cannot expect it to happen in the first or second year.

Thank you for the detailed response. It helped me better understand.
 

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So you're basically saying you'd like it more if it were something different?...:D
Yes, I currently race NORRA which is very similar to the Dakar format. Many experienced SCORE/BITD race who have tried NORRA say it is the most fun they have ever had racing off road. The biggest difference is road book navigation is optional but highly recommended. While I don't use the road book while driving, I do study it every night and take notes since the GPS file doesn't contain any info. I actually don't use the GPS much at all as the course is burned in by the time our old vintage car gets there. I don't race what I can't see and read the course. NORRA also gets Dakar teams every year.

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Great video of Tom Coronel's overnight mud adventure


That is a great story. When I see all the mud, the rain, the cold night, more mud, stuck trucks, mud - it looks absolutely horrible. But at the same time, I am really jealous and wish I were there. It would be one of those stories you remember for a lifetime.
 

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Since I was 21 (1979) I have followed this event. In the 80's I was lucky to find anyone who knew what I was talking about. Then I started to race and dream. It probably will remain a dream but it is an event I feel strongly about. It is an acquired taste.

Have to agree
Stop worrying about it's popularity in the USA, ASO's Dakar event does just fine with out us. I'm OK with you not "getting it" and I see no reason to slam you because you don't.
 

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Thanks I saw a video of that from outside the truck and was wondering how it looked from their perspective. It is amazing what those giant leaf sprung, solid axle vehicles can do!


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They are wearing oxygen are the other teams doing the same?
 
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