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Vildosola caught cheating???

TreyP

"F" you Bill
GPT3, Page 20: Any pit vehicle running on or near the race course that is endangering the entrants, race officials, or spectators, could call for the disqualification of the particular vehicle for which they are servicing or pitting. No pit vehicle may follow or lead a race vehicle on the race course.

GPT9, Page 20: All pit services must be done while race vehicle is at a complete stop. Vehicle may not be serviced while in motion, either under its own power, while being towed, and/or being transported in or on a trailer. Pit services are to include fueling, tire changes, and/or any other services performed on the race vehicle.

Some other stuff/guildeline of penalties levied to competitors (these guidelines are a minimum only). GP3, Page 18, 19:

(5) Traveling backward on the race course. Race or support vehicles.
***Disqualification
(10) Illegal stationary pit or illegal support crew violation.
***One position
(11) Pitting in a restricted area.
*** Disqualification
(12) Reckless driving or endangerment of support crews, officials and/or spectators by support crews or race vehicles.
 

y2kbaja

Well-Known Member
7 pages and no rule book quotes yet....slackers!
And while your at it quote the line that says what the protest period is. Certainly not 4-days!
 

1fastbean

Rookie
I may be biased but if you are going to enforce it for some then you should be consistent. The penalty that was given to Rob Mac last year seriously hurt his championship pursuit.

http://www.race-dezert.com/home/time-penalty-drops-rob-maccachren-from-second-place-overall-finish-at-the-score-baja-500-19678.html
“Pitting is NOT permitted on any portion of the paved highway surface. The paved highways are considered a restricted area because use of the highways is subject to permission by the Mexican Federal Highway Police.” -As per Score on that article. We could argue until the cows come home if that was a pit stop or not but lets but realistic, that was not a pit stop.
 

ML Racer

Well-Known Member
The internet also implied that whatever was brought up was dismissed and the results were "official". So is this a new issue or just better proof of previous allegations? Has Sal ever changed "official" results?



All I've seen is a list of "Official Finishers"! Is there an ""Official Results" posted somewhere?
 

pdailey

Racer
Is this against Scores rulebook? If not, ban it just like they did with Arciero/Millers refueling idea and move on...

Vildosola racings 1st place should stand as is IMO.
SCORE International’s 2006-2010 Off-Road Racing Rules & Regulations Book (“SCORE Rule Book”).

Rule GPT8 states: “All pits must be at least fifty feet (50’) off the edge of the race course. No pit may be in the first fifty feet (50’) leading into and the first one hundred feet (100’) leading out of any turn.”
Rule GPT9 states, “All pit services must be done while the race vehicle is at a complete stop. Vehicle may not be serviced while in motion, either under its own power, while being towed, and/or on a trailer. Pit services are to include fueling, tire changes, and/or any other services performed on the race vehicle.

SCORE Rule Book 2006-2010:

GPT3, Page 20: Any pit vehicle running on or near the race course that is endangering the entrants, race officials, or spectators, could call for the disqualification of the particular vehicle for which they are servicing or pitting. No pit vehicle may follow or lead a race vehicle on the race course.

GPT9, Page 20: All pit services must be done while race vehicle is at a complete stop. Vehicle may not be serviced while in motion, either under its own power, while being towed, and/or being transported in or on a trailer. Pit services are to include fueling, tire changes, and/or any other services performed on the race vehicle.

Some other stuff/guildeline of penalties levied to competitors (these guidelines are a minimum only). GP3, Page 18, 19:

(5) Traveling backward on the race course. Race or support vehicles.
***Disqualification
(10) Illegal stationary pit or illegal support crew violation.
***One position
(11) Pitting in a restricted area.
*** Disqualification
(12) Reckless driving or endangerment of support crews, officials and/or spectators by support crews or race vehicles.
 

peezy

Well-Known Member
Let's not forget Dan McMillin's legendary 4th place run! Congrats Dan!

Just almost choked on my food from laughing at this! jajaja
 

DoitforBMoore

Well-Known Member
The internet also implied that whatever was brought up was dismissed and the results were "official". So is this a new issue or just better proof of previous allegations? Has Sal ever changed "official" results?



All I've seen is a list of "Official Finishers"! Is there an ""Official Results" posted somewhere?
Lance armstrongs results were final to.. and well..... You see what happend there....
 

randy s

Well-Known Member
maybe the guy was trying to remove a hot dog wrapper from the front of the truck because they weren't going fast enough to use the draft like in nascar to get it off...it could be the reason couldn't it? ...nah...guess not but i'm sure there was a valid reason to put someone in harms way.
 

jo maoma

Heisenberg
sort of like that guy in the yellow shirt running down to get the lightbar off the course in the wash when etter crashed. purely done for the safety of the other cars coming down the course i'm sure. .. prolly exactly why the guy walked away with the lightbar though in truth because no one bothered to beat his ass for blatantly stealing the lightbar as he disappeared into the crowd.
well at least somebody gets it... jajaja


[video=youtube;8-QNAwUdHUQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-QNAwUdHUQ[/video]

good god that's epic...
 

1fastbean

Rookie
score international’s 2006-2010 off-road racing rules & regulations book (“score rule book”).

Rule gpt8 states: “all pits must be at least fifty feet (50’) off the edge of the race course. No pit may be in the first fifty feet (50’) leading into and the first one hundred feet (100’) leading out of any turn.”
rule gpt9 states, “all pit services must be done while the race vehicle is at a complete stop. Vehicle may not be serviced while in motion, either under its own power, while being towed, and/or on a trailer. Pit services are to include fueling, tire changes, and/or any other services performed on the race vehicle.

Score rule book 2006-2010:


Gpt3, page 20: Any pit vehicle running on or near the race course that is endangering the entrants, race officials, or spectators, could call for the disqualification of the particular vehicle for which they are servicing or pitting. No pit vehicle may follow or lead a race vehicle on the race course.

Gpt9, page 20: All pit services must be done while race vehicle is at a complete stop. Vehicle may not be serviced while in motion, either under its own power, while being towed, and/or being transported in or on a trailer. Pit services are to include fueling, tire changes, and/or any other services performed on the race vehicle.

Some other stuff/guildeline of penalties levied to competitors (these guidelines are a minimum only). Gp3, page 18, 19:

(5) traveling backward on the race course. Race or support vehicles.
***disqualification
(10) illegal stationary pit or illegal support crew violation.
***one position
(11) pitting in a restricted area.
*** disqualification
(12) reckless driving or endangerment of support crews, officials and/or spectators by support crews or race vehicles.
Thanks Pat!!! I revoke my previous statement.
 

jacobflyin

Active Member
GPT3, Page 20: Any pit vehicle running on or near the race course that is endangering the entrants, race officials, or spectators, could call for the disqualification of the particular vehicle for which they are servicing or pitting. No pit vehicle may follow or lead a race vehicle on the race course.

GPT9, Page 20: All pit services must be done while race vehicle is at a complete stop. Vehicle may not be serviced while in motion, either under its own power, while being towed, and/or being transported in or on a trailer. Pit services are to include fueling, tire changes, and/or any other services performed on the race vehicle.

Some other stuff/guildeline of penalties levied to competitors (these guidelines are a minimum only). GP3, Page 18, 19:

(5) Traveling backward on the race course. Race or support vehicles.
***Disqualification
(10) Illegal stationary pit or illegal support crew violation.
***One position
(11) Pitting in a restricted area.
*** Disqualification
(12) Reckless driving or endangerment of support crews, officials and/or spectators by support crews or race vehicles.
Well that sums it up. Do I think this won him the race NO he was just faster then every one else that day!! But the rules state right there he should be Disqualifid. I am sure this is not the way BJ would want to win. But if you go by the rules BJ won the race!!!
 

UTVUGRUSTY

Well-Known Member
Published on June 12 2009
Gordon Received Penalty for Fueling on Highway Section
#77 Robby Gordon issued a press release today stating that his stationary pit
near race mile 290 at the recent Baja 500 was in compliance with SCORE rules.
SCORE has NOT called into question the legality of the stationary pit. However, the
manner in which the race vehicle was actually serviced is clearly illegal.
Highway 1 is the major north/south highway on the Baja Peninsula. The highway is
not closed during the race, but remains open to local traffic. SCORE receives permission
from the Mexican Federal Highway Police to incorporate transitional highway sections
into the race course. This permission is subject to a 60 MPH speed limit, as well as safe
and prudent conduct by racers while running on the various highway sections.
Video of the incident shows that Gordon came to a complete stop directly in the middle of
the northbound lane of the highway and members of his pit crew ran onto the highway and
fueled his race vehicle with a portable fuel container and performed visual checks.
For obvious reasons, this type of behavior is completely unacceptable. Needless to say, it
creates a very dangerous situation to have pit crew members running around with fuel on the
public highway servicing a race vehicle that has stopped in the middle of the highway lane.
The highway in the area was the actual race course and it is illegal under SCORE rules to
make a pit stop on the race course. All pitting should have occurred in Gordon’s legal fixed
stationary pit, which was apparently a mere 50 feet away.
We wonder how NASCAR would respond if Robby stopped on the track during a race at the
California Speedway and his crew ran onto the track to service his race vehicle?
Aside from the serious potential safety consequences, this type of behavior also aggravates
SCORE’s relationship with the Mexican Federal Highway Police.
Video of the incident can be viewed at – [video=youtube;Tq7rbJ_Fb9w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7rbJ_Fb9w[/video]
 

Bryan J

Well-Known Member
i think everyone here agrees that Tavo was fast enough to win without doing this. He doesn't need to "pit" like this to win, maybe it was a heat of the moment choice. like David Pearson a few weeks ago at the local bike race. we all screw up, Tavo jut screwed up in front of a camera haha
 
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Pacololo

Well-Known Member
Haters will hate...BJ got beat, period.


I could care less how this turns out, but the irony of you having your own thread complaining about pit safety just 2 threads below this one is fantastic.

Pitting needs to be regulated and crews should be certified, but this technique is OK…
Do I have that right?
 
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