That isn't really a question that can be broadly answered. A lot of guys have deals worked out with their builders that are worth much more than a 3% improvement. A race car is a "package", so there are other factors besides which one is thought to be the best. The best truck with poor support isn't worth a whole lot if you can't keep it out of the prep bay. The big question is why the truck is 3% better........shock tuning, suspension geometry, engine package, trans gearing, aerodynamics, etc.? The other question is where is the truck 3% better........Laughlin, Baja, etc.? With how many different makes of trucks are winning races, I don't think you could ever say one truck is that much better than the others.
So you are saying Jesse picked up the truck from Gieser, took it to the race and won? No testing and tuning? No adjustment's at all?
If so, then yes, I'm impressed.
This is going to be fun. But that approach is pretty well worn out in SoCal. If the idea is defensible, then it can be discussed using a NDA (Non disclosure agreement). But even then you might not get too much traction until there is a working/racing prototype. What you will be giving up in a NDA is your thought process to the "invention." They will be interested in the view you were looking from to get this novel idea. Most companies and race teams should listen to you. Then evaluate.
Or you can let race results do the talking. Cheers on the adventure.
As you're budget constrained, have you considered buying a couple older Polaris to be your mules?Thank Ben,
Yup, it's going to be a lot of fun! Not sure what you mean by "that approach is pretty worn out in SoCal". I have a fairly good NDA which is enough to get the conversation started for someone who is willing to spend a few minutes to understand what is on the table. This is something that as long as a person understands general force vectors and centers of mass, basic mechanical stuff, they will immediately see the benefit. As they begin to understand the concept, a plethora (I got that word from The Three Amigos, I'm that old ) of benefits start to appear and you go "wow". At least that was my reaction. I was just trying to solve one problem, when I found the solution to that problem it turns out it has a very wide range of benefits. If a circle encompasses your handling capability, this grows that circle. I haven't had anyone I've shown this to tell me it won't work, including my suspension tuner...and in the ATV world, he is a long time championship winning suspension tuner.
The vehicle I'm building will have this suspension on it, problem is that it will also have a lot of other things done to it, it's a new vehicle category. Although it's handling will be phenomenal, it would be difficult to say it was due to this one thing and there is no base unit to compare it to. What I need is to take an existing known design, make this one change and then have a side by side comparison to really quantify the benefit. On top of that I would like the base model to be considered leading edge so there is no mistake that it represents the best performance and my changes made it perform even better. Again, why I am on this thread. Find the best machine, make it better. There is no hiding or excuses in this approach. No builder would do it if they didn't think it would improve things, so all it starts with is a conversation. This brings me back to, what is an improvement like this worth at a hypothetical 3% improvement in quantifiable performance all other things being equal?
I want race results to do the talking, but I have to be able to get there from here...and frankly, I need help, or a lot of time and I'm trying to circumvent that time thing. Cash helps, co-conspirators help, understanding TT suspension specifics (loads, damping rates etc) would help in starting with a good first pass. One way or another I'll get there, like any good racer, I always strive for sooner rather than later.
As you're budget constrained, have you considered buying a couple older Polaris to be your mules?
Can we ask what initial problem you were looking to solve?
Looks like someone has put Tesla motors in a truck. Not a hybrid, but a start.All of this lends quickly to Hybrid technology. I bet we see it in a SXS in the next couple years. Too easy, cleans up the drive train issues, and maximizes turn and travel numbers comparable to TT. Drivers may love it.
Edit: 2WD, 4WD, Hybrid 4WD
Was this with the 4wd machine?If you go off results, 2016 Baja 1000 Geiser 1st/2nd, 2017 Baja 1000 Geiser 1st/2nd, 2018 SF 300 Geiser 1st/2nd, 2018 Baja 500 Geiser 1st, 2018 Mint 400 Geiser 1st/2nd.
2017 Score TT champion Geiser 1st, 2nd/3rd
2016 Score TT Champion Geiser 1st
So based on results its the Geiser.
I believe the winners were 2wd, but I think there were 4wd Geisers out. There were some creative trucks around that time, including the twin engine trophy truck.Was this with the 4wd machine?
Forgot herbstDefinitely agree. Alumicraft Dominates class 10 (obviously) and Jimco is my vote for best class 1, but best TT is a different story. Any one of the TSCO, Geiser, Jimco, Mason trucks have a Chance of winning at any time. Big time TT guys run on such a high/competitive level it takes SO much more to win then just a well built machine.
I actually read aboa company doing something like this some years ago. I believe name was jriMy point is that nothing has been banned in off road racing because nobody in off road racing has spent $200 million developing technology that allows utter domination.
F1 used to have the same rule set as trophy trucks - unlimited. But then teams started spending preposterous amounts of money developing technology that allows them to dominate. And then the banning started.
TT development and the TT rule book is identical to F1 in the 1970's. Not F1 today. My fear is that TT racing will develop into F1 today, once somebody develops software to automate some part of the truck (most likely suspension).
If you gave me $200 million to spend, I could develop a trophy truck with an actively controlled hydraulic suspension, linked to a GPS system with topographical data of the course. Prerun the course and update your topographical map one week before the event. The truck then knows every major bump on the course, and what the suspension should should do in response.
That truck crushes everybody, but it's no fun.